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Despising the Scriptures
myms:
Ray said in his recent talks: 'COMMENT: The spiritual sperm did not descend from heaven, but rather, the SON OF MAN descended from heaven. Do you believe these Scriptures or do you despise these Scriptures?'
Is Ray just affirming the point that Jesus pre-existed with His Father? Or is he also intimating that the conception of Jesus within Mary did not involve a spiritual sperm joining with an egg from Mary?
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: myms on November 20, 2009, 10:36:10 PM ---Ray said in his recent talks: 'COMMENT: The spiritual sperm did not descend from heaven, but rather, the SON OF MAN descended from heaven. Do you believe these Scriptures or do you despise these Scriptures?'
Is Ray just affirming the point that Jesus pre-existed with His Father? Or is he also intimating that the conception of Jesus within Mary did not involve a spiritual sperm joining with an egg from Mary?
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Both I believe...you can email him if you'd like.
Marques
myms:
Will do - just don't like bothering him!
AK4:
--- Quote from: myms on November 20, 2009, 10:36:10 PM ---Ray said in his recent talks: 'COMMENT: The spiritual sperm did not descend from heaven, but rather, the SON OF MAN descended from heaven. Do you believe these Scriptures or do you despise these Scriptures?'
Is Ray just affirming the point that Jesus pre-existed with His Father? Or is he also intimating that the conception of Jesus within Mary did not involve a spiritual sperm joining with an egg from Mary?
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Hi Myms
Ray is stating that the scriptures say: Jesus did pre-exist before His earthly ministry but He did not pre-exist eternally. The key word there is eternally. Jesus is the beginning of God (the Father, who no one can see or hear) creation. Then the Father through Jesus started creating everything else.
Jesus Himself was sent into Mary, not a sperm.
In Jesus
Anthony
myms:
Hi Anthony
Thank you for your response ... you said:
'Ray is stating that the scriptures say: Jesus did pre-exist before His earthly ministry but He did not pre-exist eternally. The key word there is eternally. Jesus is the beginning of God (the Father, who no one can see or hear) creation. Then the Father through Jesus started creating everything else.'
I have believed this for a long time now. My question was more about his conception. Ray said that Jesus came from Heaven, not a sperm, so I was curious to know whether Ray also believes that Mary's egg was not involved in the conception. That, if you like, Jesus was supernaturally 'implanted' as a foetus within Mary and she was chosen to nurture Him until His birth.
Its possibly not that important, it was just Ray's comment sparked off the question in my head which I'd never considered before. I have posed the question to Ray as suggested above, but as yet have not had a response and don't really expect one, Ray has far too much on his plate.
Myms
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