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Despising the Scriptures
Marky Mark:
A short story.
2 Corinthians 4:4
4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
2 Timothy 2:26
26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
Ephesians 2:2
2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
John 12:31
31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.
John 1:12
12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
1 John 5:19
19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
Ephesians 2:8–9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Peace...Mark
aqrinc:
This excerpt is one reason why that question came to me. i am not defending any position, just trying for clarification. What exactly did does this statement mean, would appreciate any follow-up.
Excerpt from: WHO AND WHAT IS JESUS? & WHO IS HIS FATHER? . Nashville Conference 2007
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.msg34384.html#msg34384
A woman sent me an email and said, 'why didn’t He just create a whole bunch of Jesus’? Why do we have to go through all of this to become sons of God... pain, suffering, growing old, disease, losing loved ones, wars, torture, why? If all He had to do was just make a bunch of Jesus’ then He would have all the sons He wants.'
There is something about this creation that ties in with the spirit. We read it in Hebrews; about the tabernacle, the sanctuary and the Holy place. Christ didn’t just become what symbolizes the Holy place here on earth. But in heaven He entered the Holy of Holies. In heaven! That’s where He made remission for our sins, before the Father. Not just on the cross, but before the Father in heaven. They are types and I’m not saying God shows us all this stuff. But I think He is showing us that it is there. It is there, you just have to believe the scripture.
Now what is the grandest of all types of the heavenly, that has come to earth? The ultimate supreme likeness of something heavenly is Jesus Christ. This is not strictly, purely a earthly creation or invention. So whatever exist in heaven is personified in this Man, Jesus Christ. Now Jesus is the only one who is now in the image of God and we read in Hebrews.
Hebrews 1:3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person…
I think the Concordant uses the word, assumption.
…express image of His assumption, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
This is speaking about Jesus Christ, He is the image of His Father.
Somebody ask me if the god of this world could possibly be referring to God rather than Satan. I considered it a long time ago, because Satan deceives and God blinds. God blinded them, Satan deceived.
2Cor. 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine upon them.
So Jesus Christ is the personification of God. He’s the only one that is totally in His image. But then in Rom. 8, again we have the difference between the angels and what God is putting us through.
Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestinates to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first creation (born).
No, first BORN. Remember when we’re born into the family of God, God will be our Daddy. You know like it says in that movie, ‘It’s good to be the king.’ We’re not just working there, we’re not adopted, we’re BORN! God is our Daddy. This is heavy duty stuff, but this is a process, it has not happened yet.
george. ???
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: aqr on December 12, 2009, 01:02:41 PM ---This excerpt is one reason why that question came to me. i am not defending any position, just trying for clarification. What exactly did does this statement mean, would appreciate any follow-up.
--- End quote ---
It doesn't seem to be anymore than a random thought to me. Ray says someone asked him if the 'god' referred to in that passage is referring to the God or Satan. He says he considered if for a while...I'm pretty sure if he felt otherwise, he would have edited the LOF #9 paper.
We all know that ultimately it is God who blinds the masses of humanity to His Will and Plan. Satan is the tool used to do so...the axe in the Lord's hand (similar to the King of Assyria in Isa 10:15). There are 2 ways to tell that 2 Cor 4:4 is talking about Satan:
1. 'god of this world' - As Ray points out from scriptures, Satan is over the heads of the nations [Matt 4:9 & Luke 4:6]. This present wicked age [Gal 1:4] is Satan's kingdom or domain...Christ says so Himself by stating His kingdom is NOT of this world [John 18:36]
Satan is the prince [Gk. ruler, leader, commander] of this world/age:
John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out
John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me
John 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged
2. 'lest (aka 'otherwise') the glory of the gospel of Christ would shine upon them' - As Christ teaches, a kingdom cannot be divided against itself [Matt 12:25, Mark 3:24, Luke 11:17]. God does not contend with Himself but has rather set up Satan to be His adversary [def. 'to oppose'] and Has delegated the nations to Satan to also oppose the Will of God.
Satan is the ruler of darkness [Eph 6:12-13] that opposes the light of Christ [Eph 5:4].
Hope this helps,
Marques
myms:
Some more thoughts on those that despise the scriptures:
We have seen and still see the various stages that the Church has and is going through:
Positive confession
The prosperity gospel
Being slain in the Spirit
The holy laughter movement
The Toronto blessing
…and more....
Is the latest the HOP movement? It took me a while to cotton on what HOP stood for: House of Prayer. Nothing wrong with that perhaps, but its what is happening in these Houses of Prayer being set up in churches across America and now in the UK that is perhaps of interest (signs of the times?).
Harp and Bowl: a style of worship that involves antiphonal singing. It is based on the way King David worshiped, the reality is alarming! Find the link to the International House of Prayer University (I HOP U) in Kansas for a little taste of ‘Davidic worship’ being gradually hyped up with louder and louder music and shouts of ‘Fire, Fire’!!. Linked to this ‘new move’ of God’s Spirit and the return to a Davidic style of worship is the belief that the Nation of Israel is still God’s covenant nation and that they will all be saved before the return of Christ. Such that as part of this present move of returning to the HEBRAIC ROOT of the Church, yamakas, prayer scarves for ladies and prayer shawls for men are finding there way into the church. What’s next one wonders.
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