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Despising the Scriptures
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---Ray said that Jesus came from Heaven, not a sperm, so I was curious to know whether Ray also believes that Mary's egg was not involved in the conception.
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Myms,this is a general statement, so please take no offense.
It never ceases to amaze me how someone has to put the physical ahead of the Spiritual. Why do we in our own small and weak minds think that the Creator of everything that has ever come into existence cannot do what ever He wants or needs. I don't understand why we have to question who and what God is. Without Him, we are nothing. I think to question our Fathers ways is a weak attempt at putting ones self on that carnal throne that we are all to familiar with.
Philippians 2:5
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Proverbs 14:12
12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
1 Peter 2:11
11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Peace...Mark
aqrinc:
Whatever we have in mind most of the time; on any subject, that is where we have our treasures stored. There is so much of Scripture that most of us only have the slightest understanding; and that is Scripture that is explained several times in Bibles.
One would do well to pay attention when things of the flesh, carnal thoughts; take up most of their Scripture study time.
Some verses below that prompts this message.
1Sa 2:6-10 (GNB)
6 The LORD kills and restores to life; he sends people to the world of the dead and brings them back again.
7 He makes some people poor and others rich; he humbles some and makes others great.
8 He lifts the poor from the dust and raises the needy from their misery. He makes them companions of princes and puts them in places of honor. The foundations of the earth belong to the LORD; on them he has built the world.
9 "He protects the lives of his faithful people, but the wicked disappear in darkness; a man does not triumph by his own strength.
10 The LORD's enemies will be destroyed; he will thunder against them from heaven. The LORD will judge the whole world; he will give power to his king, he will make his chosen king victorious."
Jer 17:9 (MKJV)
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?
Joh 6:62-63(Lamsa NT)
62 What then if you should see the Son of man ascending to the place where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that gives life; the body is of no account; the words which I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Rom 8:5-13 (Lamsa NT)
5 For they who are after the flesh, do mind the things of the flesh; but they who are after the Spirit, do mind the things of the Spirit.
6 To be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace;
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, because it cannot be.
8 So then, they who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh, but in the spirit if the Spirit of God truly dwells within you. Now if any man does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.
10 And if Christ is within you, the body is dead because of sin: but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 And if the Spirit of Him who raised our LORD Jesus Christ from the dead dwells within you, so he who raised Jesus Christ from the dead will also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells within you.
12 Therefore, my brethren, we are not indebted to the flesh to live after the flesh.
13 For if you live after the flesh, you will die: but if you, through the Spirit, subdue the deeds of the body, you shall live.
Rom 8:14 Those who are led by the Spirit of God, are the sons of God.
george. :)
AK4:
--- Quote from: myms on November 25, 2009, 12:52:51 AM ---Hi Anthony
Thank you for your response ... you said:
'Ray is stating that the scriptures say: Jesus did pre-exist before His earthly ministry but He did not pre-exist eternally. The key word there is eternally. Jesus is the beginning of God (the Father, who no one can see or hear) creation. Then the Father through Jesus started creating everything else.'
I have believed this for a long time now. My question was more about his conception. Ray said that Jesus came from Heaven, not a sperm, so I was curious to know whether Ray also believes that Mary's egg was not involved in the conception. That, if you like, Jesus was supernaturally 'implanted' as a foetus within Mary and she was chosen to nurture Him until His birth.
Its possibly not that important, it was just Ray's comment sparked off the question in my head which I'd never considered before. I have posed the question to Ray as suggested above, but as yet have not had a response and don't really expect one, Ray has far too much on his plate.
Myms
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All we really have is that "He emptied Himself"(Phil 2:7) and we are not really told how or anything else. If you think on it Jesus is able to appear as anything He wanted i.e. a burning bush. From mans point of view He was still born from Mary to make Him apart of the Judah line. Whether by fetus or sperm once He came out of the birth canal, from mans view He was from Mary. But WE know His origin is from God.
We know sperm carries DNA and only has half of whats needed to make a baby. Jesus already existed and had all that was needed for life. He couldnt have needed anything from mary except a womb. The only thing He didnt have is what He emptied from Himself, so I dont see why her eggs would be needed. Yeah her womb, but not her eggs.
Jesus was still called a man after His resurrection and in the OT, the Angel of the Lord was called a man. I just read over it somewhere in the gospels something that could show Christ was a called a man before He appeared on earth. I cant remember where though and i may be wrong so dont quote on that last one. To me I dont see any reason for Christ to have to come as a sperm.
Just my opinion,
In Jesus,
Anthony
myms:
Thank you Anthony for taking my question seriously, for not judging me for asking it, and for giving a really helpful and thoughtful answer.
Myms :)
AK4:
--- Quote from: myms on November 25, 2009, 09:51:48 PM ---Thank you Anthony for taking my question seriously, for not judging me for asking it, and for giving a really helpful and thoughtful answer.
Myms :)
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Anytime. There are many things that God puts into my mind, even the minutest (is that a word?) seemingly unimportant things, yet i am compelled by God to find the answer or that He gives me some kind of understanding on it. Its amazing really because i did ponder that question awhile back and had an answer but i forgot about it and i think this one willl stick with.
Thanks be to God
In Jesus
Anthony
Also i wanted to add---its even the smallest little things that brings, at least me joy, when God shows me a truth. Its wonderful to me.
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