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aqrinc:
Hi Ron,
Currently you are loaded with a lot of excess baggage (things of Christendom). One thing that will serve you in good stead now or later; is to do a complete brain dump, of everything you managed to bring with you. If it was so good, there would be no reason for GOD to drag you from wherever you were, to this watering hole in the desert.
Remember about 98% of what you have learned in Christendom, is 100% wrong, so only about 2% is somewhat right. Patching in the new with all that old stuff, will make for a very rough time, as the new keeps tearing the old cloth everytime it is stressed (Mat 9:16).
Give yourself a chance to start aquiring a taste for The new Wine oF The Spirit, and stop trying to pour the new into that old barrel; or the barrel will burst and spill everything old and new (Mat 9:17).
Mat 9:16-17 (CEV)
16 No one uses a new piece of cloth to patch old clothes. The patch would shrink and tear a bigger hole.
17 No one pours new wine into old wineskins. The wine would swell and burst the old skins. Then the wine would be lost, and the skins would be ruined. New wine must be put into new wineskins. Both the skins and the wine will then be safe.
Jesus Christ Said, you have heard it said; but I Say, many times in Scripture. Below are two occasions:
Mat 5:33-37 (MKJV)
33 Again, you have heard that it has been said to the ancients, "You shall not swear falsely, but you shall perform your oaths to the Lord."
34 But I say to you, Do not swear at all! Not by Heaven, because it is God's throne;
35 not by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet; not by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King;
36 nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black.
37 But let your word be, Yes, yes; No, no. For whatever is more than these comes from evil.
Mat 5:43-48 (MKJV)
43 You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
44 But I say to you, Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who despitefully use you and persecute you,
45 so that you may become sons of your Father in Heaven. For He makes His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax-collectors do the same?
47 And if you greet your brothers only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax-collectors do so?
48 Therefore be perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.
Perfection has no need to Repent, or Correct, if you accept the Words Of Jesus Christ, then you know that your understanding is the one that needs adjustment or a complete remake.
These are all things you have heard, they were wrong then and wrong now. Or Everything Jesus Christ Said is wrong; so we can pick up our tents and go back to Egypt.
george :).
Deborah-Leigh:
Ron you are not thinking God's thoughts but human thoughts!"
--- Quote ---There are more scriptures that state God changed His mind, than scriptures that state He doesn't.
--- End quote ---
"You are mistaken because you don't know the Scriptures or God's power.
You cannot understand the Scriptures if you do not believe them L Ray Smith.
--- Quote ---If we just look at the scripture and not introduce opinions and suppositions, the truth will be seen.
--- End quote ---
So we have no need of God's Spirit to open up our understanding right? We just have to look at the scripture and not assume or have opinions and we'll understand it right/ WRONG. We need God to show us!
Arc
ericsteven:
I have a question that I think pertains to this subject.
Is Jesus Christ omniscient? Did the Father reveal everything to Jesus as the Creator at the very beginning, or has it been a process for Him as it has been for us?
Would the answer to that question affect how we understand the following teaching by Ray? [bold and underline by me]:
The Old Testament knows NOTHING of a "God the Father." Jesus Christ came to REVEAL THE FATHER, and that for the first time in the history of the world: "...The only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He has DECLARED [Gk: 'unfolds'] Him" (John 1:18). Jesus Christ IS the GOD of the Old Testament. Jesus Christ IS Jehovah.
And how would that affect our understanding of how the God of the Old Testament – Jesus Christ in Ray’s view - interacted with His people?
I don't know the answer. I have some ideas, but thoughts and Scripture from others would be appreciated.
Thanks, Eric
Marlene:
Ron, I would read many of the Chapters in Psalms. Many of them speak of God and want he knows ! He has a plan for the whole earth. You, could not even repent if it was not for him causing you too. He knows what sins you will do. We have to get it out of our head, that God is a mere man.
After, reading some of the chapters of Psalms. That, should give you a real eye opener. He knows everything about us. We never surprise God.
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello ericsteven
--- Quote --- the God of the Old Testament – Jesus Christ in Ray’s view
--- End quote ---
Here is the Scripture that authorises "Rays view" :)
1Co 10:1 And, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea.
1Co 10:2 And all were baptized to Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
1Co 10:3 and all ate the same spiritual food,
1Co 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank of the spiritual Rock that followed them, and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.
Arc
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