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Lupac:
Thank you all. I'm sorry I'm so unbelieving. I try not to be. I get myself in little "frenzies" because, I'll find out something that seems to contradict what I believe, I then go crazy trying to see if it's true or not.
E. Woods:
--- Quote from: onelovedread on January 13, 2010, 01:40:29 PM ---Is it possible that we could be a little more gentle in our responses? I may be a bit sensitive, but Marques' initial response comes over as a bit harsh. His point may be well made but it could be interpreted as a put down of someone seeking answers. I'm just saying, let's try a little harder to ensure that our writings appear to be made in humility. Not everyone is at the same level of understanding. Please feel free to tell me I'm off the mark. I won't take it personally
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Onelovedread.
Just want to tell you, I am with you 100%.
I think some of the people on this form don't know how to be gentle.
EJW
Stacey:
--- Quote from: Lupac on January 14, 2010, 09:50:49 PM ---Thank you all. I'm sorry I'm so unbelieving. I try not to be. I get myself in little "frenzies" because, I'll find out something that seems to contradict what I believe, I then go crazy trying to see if it's true or not.
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Hi Lupac,
In some strange way, I can relate to what you said here. A coworker who turned out to be a good friend and Brother in Christ that I had the pleasure of meeting a few years ago; he and I would get into what you mention as being "frenzies" to such a degree that most of the other coworkers around us thought we argued all the time. Our debates were high "spirited" to say the least and always about God, the Bible, what is the truth and everything that we had learned over the years. I must say that I enjoyed those days of long "debate" very much to the extent that I know that, speaking for myself only here, I like that kind of learning experience. It was a very positive time in my life. I think you have received some fantastic advice here and hope that you do not get discouraged and keep on running the good race. Never give up or give in, if you seek God and His truths; that's what you will find albeit could be different than what you know as being truth right now.
Iron shapeneth iron, its been said a million times and here it is again, there is a lot of iron here in this forum so....think like iron, feel like iron, Lupac, be iron!
EJW said,
--- Quote --- I think some of the people on this form don't know how to be gentle.
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That may or may not be true but when you get right down to it does that really matter? Concerning learning the truths of scripture, does it matter that one might learn it in a gentle way or not? I think not.
There is a time and season for everything under the sun we all know. A time for gentleness and a time to not be so gentle. When learning does one learn and retain better if it is delivered in a softer, kinder, gentler way or the opposite of that spectrum, a bold, firm way? I lean toward the latter. How does a General have his Drill Sergeant's teach and train his men/women under his command? There is a Great General coming that will be inspecting the lessor generals and drill Sergeant's and grunts and so on. What will He find at His coming, soldiers ready for battle or those in need of a lot of hard training?
One last thing and I'll go back to the Amen Pew. If someone answers a post in a manner that seems to be harsh or soft. Here in this forum, if you have read and believe Rays Teachings, then you know already that the answer given could not have been given in any other way, the choice made to deliver it in the manner given could not have been any other way and the OP heard it in the manner that could not have been heard in any other way.
Chillax, <--- Peace to Everyone, :)
daywalker:
--- Quote from: Stacey on January 15, 2010, 08:34:27 AM ---
One last thing and I'll go back to the Amen Pew.
Chillax, <--- Peace to Everyone, :)
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Lol, that's a classic statement right there! ;D :D ;)
To add to what you said, the one thing we here at the forum all have in common is that we were inspired by Ray's teachings. And I'd guesstimate about 35% of his writings are some form of sarcasm [the other 65% being Scriptures...]. By reading the many emails that Ray gets it's obvious that many are offended by them and think he's some crazy, angry old dude... But for me, it was his sarcasm that really opened my eyes. I am a pretty sarcastic person myself, and though I've been toning it down a bunch lately, still it's true that sometimes sarcasm is only way to make a point clear; especially to expose stupid doctrines as Ray does.
But there are times for sarcasm and times for gentleness, but knowing which 'time' it is requires discernment, and this is something that is learned, largely through making mistakes. As long as all of us here on the forum remember that we are all family and that we all love each other as a family, and that we can put our 'defense walls' down when we are here, then we will be less offended when one of our brothers or sisters says something that may sound a lil harsh or sarcastic, because we know that it's coming from a brother/sister, not from an enemy; and that it is said in love, to edify, not to demean or hurt.
In closing also, I'd like to add that if someone truly is deeply offended by someone's post, they should PM that person directly, and discuss it that way. I can say from personal experience that works out much better than altering the course of a thread; especially when chances are, you simply misunderstood what was said...
Ok, that's all folks...
Christopher 8)
Roy Martin:
--- Quote from: Lupac on January 14, 2010, 09:50:49 PM ---Thank you all. I'm sorry I'm so unbelieving. I try not to be. I get myself in little "frenzies" because, I'll find out something that seems to contradict what I believe, I then go crazy trying to see if it's true or not.
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Lupac this little post of yours just told me a lot about you.You are honest and sincere. You trying not to be unbelieving just proves that God is in control. You show no signs of giving up. I too when I first started crying out to God didn't believe. Its not teachings I didn't trust, it was God I didn't believe in, but He didn't let me give up on reaching out to Him. I tried many times to give up, or run away from Him in every way. I've even tried to conflict truth with lies and deception since I've been here. but that was very short lived like a day or so, but here I am, and here you are, still pushing through the storm.
I think you appreciate Marques tough love comments, just as you appreciate the kind words from others. I have to give you credit that you are a fighter for truth even though you have your doubts of winning.
Hang in there Lupac.
Roy
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