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Roy Coates:
John,
Your right in that the KJV renders rev 13:8 that way but look at some others like the clnt and see what you think
Rev 13:8
(CLV) And all who are dwelling on the earth will be worshiping it, everyone whose name is not written in the scroll of life of the Lambkin slain from the disruption of the world."
(Diaglott-NT) And will worship him all those dwelling on the earth, of which not has been written the name in the scroll of the life of the lamb of that having been killed, from a casting down of a world.
(GNB) All people living on earth will worship it, except those whose names were written before the creation of the world in the book of the living which belongs to the Lamb that was killed.
(KJV) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Ray goes in depth on this subject but I am not sure where it is at, at the moment.
aqrinc:
Here are three different translations that make it clearer, Ray has done a study on this already too.
Mobile Conference 2009
Audio 7
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,10976.msg94788.html#msg94788
Rev 13:8 (ASV)
And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.
Rev 13:8 (Darby)
and all that dwell on the earth shall do it homage, every one whose name had not been written from the founding of the world in the book of life of the slain Lamb.
Rev 13:8 (ESV)
and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
george :).
Roy Coates:
well done george ;D
musicman:
The following should answer some of your questions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIvmXTlgi6I
Deborah-Leigh:
:) George and Roy, thanks for your input (from true study and worship of God) to this topic.
Musicman, I do not have the luxury to download youtube clips that are posted in the Forum.
John, here is an excerpt out of Ray’s conference last year. Thank you for your question.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship Him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Well now either that shows that in some way or shape or form, before the world was made, in God’s mind or whatever, Christ was already slain. Before He was ever brought into existence, right? Either that or maybe this is not translated properly. Let’s take a look at that concept.
The World English Bible:
Revelation 13:8 And all who dwell on the earth will worship Him, every one whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been killed.
Huh, do you get that? It was “written from the foundation of the world.”
Darby’s 1890 Translation:
Revelation 13:8 All that dwell in the earth shall do homage, everyone whose name had not been written from the founding of the world in the book of life of the slain Lambkin.
The Living Bible:
Revelation 13:8 they are the ones whose names were not written in the book of life before the world was made, the book that belongs to the Lamb who was slaughtered.
Do you think that none of these translators knew what they were doing? Do you think that all these are phoney translations, that have not a clue as to what they were doing?
American Standard Version:
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship Him, everyone whose name had not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that had been slain.
Not that had been slain from the foundation of the world, “written… in the book” before the foundation of the world.
The New American Bible:
Version Revelation 13:8 And all the inhabitants of the earth will worship It, all whose names had not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life which belongs to the Lamb who was slain.
Emphatic Diaglott:
Revelation 13:8 And all who dwell on the earth shall worship Him, whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the scroll of the life of that Lamb who was killed.
How many more do you need until you begin to think, ‘there might be something wrong with that King James translation?’ …………….
The New Revised Standard Version:
Revelation 13:8 Everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of the life of the Lamb, that was slaughtered.
Moffat Translation:
Revelation 13:8 All dwellers on earth will be worshippers; everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb.
Here Moffat says, the words of the lamb slain are probably a gloss, a marginal insertion from Revelation 21:27. The “book of life” elsewhere appears without any such addition.
English Standard Version:
Rev 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
I quit there. I’ll tell you why I quit there. I somehow lost the site where it had hundreds of translations and that’s as far as I got. I couldn’t find the site back, just lost it. But anyway, I got that from hundreds of translations.
So, how much credence do we give that? “We know He was slain from the foundation of the world (but He wasn’t slain until 33AD) and what proves it? Revelation 13:8.“ Ooops! Not quite.
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