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Thoughts on Origins? Evolution? Big Bang?
jeetkunejimi:
Hi Greg,
plants can grow in sheer darkness, and in the depths of the sea, miles from direct sunlight, the earth brought forth its yield of abundant life by the power of God. Keep in mind that all we know and relate to is of and by God Almighty. God's force, energy, spirit, is in all things, whether He releases something immediately or over a period of ages, either way its all His doing.
It is clear to any sane free thinking person that evolution is flawed, and that fish just can't decide to become land animals via will or random happenings, oh, and a few hundred million years. Nothing happens at random if we have a true glimpse of God's sovereignty. If and when there is to be a restitution of all things then that may well mean the resurrection of every once living thing, since extinct, aions past. We simply don't know, some animals do appear to have 'souls'. Do plants have a collective consciousness? Who knows? Who cares? I like salads. All we know is that we are here and we have to make the most of it, and that tends to fill our time here until the Big Boss calls us up.
The universe didn't make itself, it has no 'self' it is inanimate, Jesus 'shaped' the universe under God's command and all its fabric is held together by him, everything consists because of him. God produced the matter and Jesus brought it into form. Man can make a chair but he can't make trees. God made matter from NOTHING, then Jesus did the shaping, and he is still shaping each and everyone of us until we resemble him. Perhaps all other things, even the angel are and end to the means of making man to be resident with God. God will have no doubt set times for things to happen and by his workings caused them to be so, including the formation of RNA, DNA, FBI & MI6, oh, and of course the Beatles.
All we have to believe is that everything is done by God for a perfect reason, of which the consummation has no yet occurred but it draws ever closer with each passing second. We are so to speak but seconds away from the goal of all creation, which is the body of creation in its entirety standing before God in jubilation that He is all our Father and Christ all our perfect elder brother, and that God is finally to be seen as the ALL-IN-ALL. Frankly the consequences of that not being so are so hopeless and loveless that they don't even bare thinking about. Lets hope we are right about God, otherwise its just Catchascatchcan:).
Peace,
Jimi,
UK Nottingham.
Ninny:
Jimi,
I like what you said! :D
Here is something I have never done before, Greg, but here is something in line with Ray's teaching and you might enjoy reading it...hopefully the moderators will let it be...hope no one yells at me!! :)
***No Teaching Links***
This is what "Hell No" has to say about it....
aqrinc:
--- Quote ---From Jimi
God made matter from NOTHING, then Jesus did the shaping, and he is still shaping each and everyone of us until we resemble him.
--- End quote ---
If anyone has been doing their homework; Ray has taught on this subject quite a bit.
In Beginning, GOD ('ĕlôhîym) Created (bârâ') for Making (Asah).
See: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,8516.0.html for further reference points.
If one want to do the work, it is all laid out both in visible Created things and by Scientific Evidence gathered, not the un-scientific interpretation of evidence. But the evidence points to exactly how, why, when and for what our Creator GOD and Savior Jesus Christ Are doing even in minute little details to bring us to the point of being Like THEM.
Obviously If Christ States That GOD THE FATHER ALWAYS WAS, and not any thing; was before GOD THE FATHER; then all things were created out of GOD; NOT out of nothing.
PostScript To Nashville 2008
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,9130.msg76395.html#msg76395
Gen 1:24 (CLV)
And saying is the Elohim, "Bring forth shall the earth the living soul for its from-kind, beast and moving animal and land life for its from-kind. "And coming is it to be so.
GOD Created Out of HIMSELF, not from nothing; Scripture shows constantly that alll that is Came out oF GOD. The visible came from The Invisible (Imperceptible) not from nothing.
Joh 1:1-5 (CLV)
1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word. "
2 This was in the beginning toward God.
3 All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being."
4 In it was life, and the life was the light of men."
5 And the light is appearing in the darkness, and the darkness grasped it not."
Rom 1:20 (MKJV)
For the unseen things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being realized by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse.
Rom 11:34-36 (CLV)
34 For, who knew the mind of the Lord? or, who became His adviser?
35 or, who gives to Him first, and it will be repaid Him?
36 seeing that out of Him and through Him and for Him is all: to Him be the glory for the eons! Amen!
2Co 4:16-18 (Rotherham)
16 Wherefore we faint not, but, even if, our outer man, is decaying, nevertheless, our inner man , is renewing day by day.
17 For, the momentary lightness of thee tribulation, in a manner yet more and more excelling, is working out for us, an age-abiding weight of glory,—
18 So long as we are not looking out for the visible things, but for the invisible; for, the visible things, are temporary, whereas, the invisible, are age-abiding.
Col 1:16 (GNB)
For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him.
george :).
Ninny:
Sorry, guys...
Kathy :)
Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote ---Was the creation ‘truly’ finished at the very start/foundation
--- End quote ---
God knows the beginning from the end. That is true. It doesn't mean that the end is manifested yet.
God is making man in His own Image. It doesn't mean that man is or ever has been in the Image of God yet.
The Lamb of God is not slain from the foundation of the world either.
Arc
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