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kenny:
--- Quote from: gallenwalsh on February 18, 2010, 07:28:36 PM ---I read somewhere in one of Rays papers that it is the spirit of murder to be angry,perhaps I misunderstand, but I wonder if that is taken from an incorrect interpretation because Jesus surely got angry in the temple when he drove out the moneychangers and there is another scripture quote that says be angry and sin not. so how is being angry like murder ? I read in the old testament somewhere that god considered not paying workers there due wages was like unto murder, actually now that I think about it seems most sins are like murder to God, whether it's fornication , lying, etc. Did I just answer my own question ?
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Ray says to read each word, every word!
Joh 2:15 And, making a whip out of ropes (this takes about 2 hours), He casts all out of the sanctuary, both the sheep and the oxen, and He pours out the change of the brokers and overturns the tables."(this was plannned)
Joh 2:16 And to those selling doves He said, "Take these away hence, and do not be making My Father's house a house for a merchant's store." (this not anger it is a statment)
Joh 2:17 Now His disciples are reminded that it is written: "The zeal of Thy house will be devouring Me."(this is Passion)
sansmile:
Hi all,
I used to work with "angry" children, as a learning mentor in a school. Anger management comes from being able to control our BEHAVIOUR when angry. It is a natural process to feel anger, due to the release of adrenalin into the brain, the "fight or flight" enzyme. Something or someone brings u to anger, lights the "fuse" . It is possible to stop that fuse reaching the explosive, by using various techniques, the best for us as Christians is to pray.
Just my thoughts x
Sandie
Rene:
Here is an except from Ray’s paper “The Sermon On the Mount is for You” which touches on several of the comments made in this thread.
René
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D3.htm
But doesn't Eph. 4:26 tell us to: "Be ye angry, and sin not; let not the sun go down upon your wrath."
Any number of translators tried to interpret this verse better than the King James, but most failed:
"IF angry, beware of sinning..." (Weymouth ).
"IF you get angry, you must stop sinning in your anger..." (Williams Trans.)
"Do not let resentment lead you into sin..." (Knox Trans.)
"IF you are angry, don't sin by nursing your grudge..." (Kenneth Taylor)
That last one is really funny. So if you just have a grudge against a brother, but you don't "nurse it," then you will be okay? Is that something like: "If you are going to keep looking at pornography, don't LUST." Or: "If you continue drinking way too much, don't GET DRUNK."
They try every means to justify BEING ANGRY, but not yet, not quite, actually "SINNING." And just where is that fine line between being angry with a brother, but not yet sinning? There IS NO FINE LINE.
The only translation that seems to make sense out of this verse is the following:
"ARE you indignant, and NOT SINNING?" (Concordant Literal New Testament).
Now that translation makes sense and is Scriptural. It needs to be stated as a question.
"Indignation, anger, and wrath" are almost synonymous, and are often used interchangeably by many translations.
And so the question is, "Can one be angry, wrathful, or indignant toward a brother without actually sinning?" The answer is NO. Notice how this verse continues:
"Are you indignant, and not sinning? Do not let the sun be sinking on your vexation [wrath], NOR [ah, yes, let's not neglect this final part...] ...nor yet be giving place to the Adversary [devil]" (Eph. 4:26-27).
Jesus himself showed anger toward the hypocrites, but not toward His brothers. "...whosoever is angry with his BROTHER." Jesus got angry, "And when He [Jesus] had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts" (Mark 3:5). Remember that Jesus, "the LAMB of God" will return to this earth in WRATH (Rev. 6:16), but... ...BUT, "God has not appointed US [His Elect] to wrath" (I Thes. 5:9).
Jesus is NOT angry with His brothers. Neither can we be angry with our brothers. But just who are Jesus' brothers and our brothers? Answer:
"For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is My brother, and My sister, and mother" (Mark 3:35).
Being angry with a true brother or sister who is doing the will of God, is little different than being angry with God Himself. And if we do it, we will be in danger of the Judgment. Or as some render it, "the Judge or Judges." Jesus is our singular Judge, and we will be the multiple judges that "judge the world & angels" (I Cor. 6:2-3), by these very same principles.
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Dave in Tenn:
Rene, thanks for that. A very timely correction, not just in my understanding of Doctrine, but in the way I've lived my life lately.
EKnight:
--- Quote ---Jesus is NOT angry with His brothers. Neither can we be angry with our brothers. But just who are Jesus' brothers and our brothers? Answer:
"For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is My brother, and My sister, and mother" (Mark 3:35).
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Isn't everyone doing the will of God? Phil 2:13 For it is GOD which works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.
Or does that verse only refer to the positive things that people do? I mean wasn't it God's will for the pharaoh's heart to be hardened since it was God who hardened his heart?
Exodus 9:12 (New International Version)
12 But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses.
Or is it okay to be angry with someone who is not a brother?
??? ???
Eileen
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