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Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote ---should we pray for repentance
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God says we should pray for Wisdom. Do the Scriptures anywhere say that we should pray for repentance? Forgive me a sinner! Is not the same prayer as change me I am not good enough, or praying for repentance. In other words, we are to recognize, know and understand that we are sinners. We are to have faith trust and confidence in God who is our Maker that we are being made into His Image. We are not to go to our Maker and confront Him to change His Plans for us or His design in which He is making us into the Image of His Son.
Praying for repentance, change or perfection, is like praying for God to be good. God is Good whether we repent or not.
Rom 9:21 A potter has the right to do what he wants to with his clay, doesn't he? He can make something for a special occasion or something for ordinary use from the same lump.
Rom 9:22 Now if God wants to demonstrate his wrath and reveal his power, can't he be extremely patient with the objects of his wrath that are made for destruction?
Rom 9:23 Can't he also reveal his glorious riches to the objects of his mercy that he has prepared ahead of time for glory-
Rom 9:24 including us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but from the gentiles as well?
Jesus told His Disciples of their need to pray all the time. We are to live our lives as in the Presence before God in our thoughts, motives and deeds, all the time!
Luk 18:13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance and would not even look up to heaven. Instead, he continued to beat his chest and said, 'O God, be merciful to me, the sinner that I am!'
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man, rather than the other, went down to his home justified. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the person who humbles himself will be exalted."
We are to establish our hearts, minds, thoughts and deeds in His Presence all the time.
--- Quote ---Should we pray for the Holy Spirit to do the work and then sit idly by and wait?? I mean how much are we to be involved?
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1Jn 3:19 And this is how we will know that we belong to the truth and how we will be able to establish our hearts in his presence.
1Jn 3:20 If our hearts condemn us, God is greater than our hearts and knows everything.
1Jn 3:21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence in the presence of God.
1Jn 3:22 Whatever we request we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.
1Jn 3:24 The person who keeps his commandments abides in God, and God abides in him. This is how we can be sure that he remains in us: he has given us his Spirit.
So, no. There is nothing idle about how we are to be enabled by the Spirit of God to establish our hearts in His Presence. It is all His Work and yes, we are fully involved and completely accountable for a very wonderful reason and a most Godly Plan and Purpose!
:) Repentance only comes from the Goodness of God. :)
Thanks for your questions. Let us go and re-read Ray's paper on Repentance! What do you think? :)
Arc
Stacey:
Quote from Arc,
--- Quote ---We are to live our lives as in the Presence before God in our thoughts, motives and deeds, all the time!
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I needed to hear this today, thanks Arc!
judith collier:
I'll go read it, thanks. Judy
Deborah-Leigh:
I am glad that helped Stacey. 8)
It is easier said than done :D .....I know better not to prescribe to anyone unless I am willing to do, attempt, aim for the same as what I advise. Success is only guaranteed by the Spirit of Christ who has achieved everything worth while!
Being able to APPLY living our lives as in the Presence before God in our thoughts, motives and deeds, all the time, requires His Spirit to enable us! Perhaps knowing what we should do is half way to living in anxious and persistent expectation and super abounding hope in Christ fulfilling in us, His Righteousness. /ref current discussion in Expectations Thread hosted by Roy. 8)
Judy, I plan to read that paper too 8) and get back to you :D :)
Arc
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Judy. :)
I have just spent the last five minutes re visiting Ray’s paper on Repentance. I think it deserves a Thread on its own.
There is so much to discuss.
I have only just re-read the first few paragraphs and the Thread is ready to open already!
So please excuse me gallenwalsh - I do not want to hijack your Thread and I gratefully thank you for it. :)
Arc
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