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FREEINDEED:
I'm kind of new to this forum. But in my research of this website. I haven't really came across anyone discussing Deliverance. When I was attending Church on a regular basis. We would have Deliverance services. Since coming to know some truth about the word of God. I was wondering if Homosexuals and Lesbians can be delivered from this Lifestyle or if it's God will for them to live this way?
Lightseeker:
FREEINDEED,
OK, I'll jump in. Welcome to BT Freeindeed.
--- Quote --- I was wondering if Homosexuals and Lesbians can be delivered from this Lifestyle or if it's God will for them to live this way?
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Free, this is a minor point, but a lesbian is a homosexual. But as to your question: Is it His will? If it's happening I'd have to say, "Yes!" But the greater question is, is it His 'good' 'acceptable' 'perfect will'? Or is it just His 'good will', or 'good and acceptable will'? The following verse seems to indicate that something is required to meet the 'completed' will of God. All things came forth from God, are being processed through God, and ultimately will return to God. This is what accomplishes His 'completed will', I think. :wink:
ROM 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
So how does one get a renewing of...mind that they might 'prove' His 'complete will'? It looks to me like it has something to do with our 'choice' in thinking first. And according to the following verse 'good works' (life changes?) follow renewed thinking. And as a man thinks...so is/does he.
HEB 13:20.21 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Though most here would say, from the above verse, that it is still 'God' who makes you perfect, and not our 'free will'. I would agree. But IMO, it is still our 'choice' (a term Ray approves of) to repent . It's our 'choice' to die to self and drink his blood/life of the 'everlasting covenant'. When that life raises us up we no longer walk in death in that area of our life.
Free, I have personally known a homosexual who has come out of this lifestyle and operated a ministry in our small town. A town where even today, they're mostly in the closet. I'm curious as to why you're asking the question? And what it has to do with deliverance, or is that a second question.
gmik:
I used to go to churches that would "deliver" people from various things.
I don't know now with my new found knowledge. Maybe at Mike's site you can search- put in deliverance and see if he has said anything on it.
I know God can heal, deliver, answer prayer. I think it was a Mike Williams that got "delivered" of homosexuality....and now years later he has a website that says he was a phoney and did not get delivered.
Sometimes I get confused on everything being the will of God, but then He can remake the pottery with a contrite heart.
Craig:
--- Quote from: bobbys43 ---God said he created some to honor and some to dishonor.
I would suggest you read the first couple of chapters of Romans and I think this will answer your question.
bobby
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I could be way out in left field here, but...
We know that God uses the elect to judge the masses in the next age, do you suppose He uses the masses for judgement on the elect now? :?:
Craig
Andy_MI:
--- Quote from: parsonssc ---
--- Quote from: bobbys43 ---God said he created some to honor and some to dishonor.
I would suggest you read the first couple of chapters of Romans and I think this will answer your question.
bobby
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I could be way out in left field here, but...
We know that God uses the elect to judge the masses in the next age, do you suppose He uses the masses for judgement on the elect now? :?:
Craig
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Hello Craig,
I think you're right. These verses came to mind when I thought about this. Let me know what you think.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
Psa 38:19 But mine enemies are lively, and they are strong: and they that hate me wrongfully are multiplied.
Psa 38:20 They also that render evil for good are mine adversaries; because I follow the thing that good is.
Psa 56:2 Mine enemies would daily swallow me up: for they be many that fight against me, O thou most High.
Am I on the same track as you? I sure can see God using unbelievers as well as the babylon system to judge us now.
Andy
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