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hillsbororiver:
Hello feat,

I certainly do not condone getting into someone's face to call them an evil sinner doomed to destruction, if someone asks me what I believe in regard to any habit or lifestyle I will answer them as best I can, with scriptural backing as my foundation.

Through the years I have worked with and have had neighbors who were homosexual and it usually never entered our conversation, they would not volunteer what they did in the privacy of their home and neither would I, many of these people were dependable, friendly and unassuming folks who I enjoyed having the opportunity of working with or living near. Even when I was totally living in the world I was basically (for the most part) a "live and let live" kind of person.

As my eyes have begun to open to His purpose and plan I see all of us as being in the same flawed condition, not with the same weaknesses but weak just the same. I must forgive if I want forgiveness and I must love all my bothers and sisters because a heavy price has been paid for all of us. My feeling is that we should not justify sinfulness in any form but seek deliverence from it, none of us give up our carnal nature easily, in fact it is impossible without His Spirit. I do not look to confront anyone on what they think or do but if a honest question arises I will give the most honest answer I can possibly give.

Peace to you Brother,

Joe

Harryfeat:
Are you sure we don't live near the same couple? :D :D

It's basically the same on my street. Live and let live.


feat

Lightseeker:
HARRY


--- Quote ---By witnessing what exactly do you mean, do you mean preaching? 
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[RSV] ROM 10:17  So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ. 

KJV says "word" where RSV says "preaching".  I prefer RSV because the Greek word for "word" in this verse is Rhema and not Logos, and a Rhema is a spoken word.  The big idea is you have to be 'talked' to concerning the gospel/good news.  Whose job is it to do that talking?



--- Quote --- Also I don 't understand what you mean by witnessing life into a death situation in this age.
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I think that the 'unchanging nature of Jesus' and the 'unshakable kingdom of God' are both necessary to bring one from death unto life in this age.  This isn't a one time deal IMO.  We must overcome in many areas of our life.  To be an "overcomer" and "inherit the promises" of this age requires both 'knowing the truth' and 'walking in the truth'.  Hope that helps. 



--- Quote ---The same sex couple that I know do not truly believe they are living in a sinful relationship.
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I guess at this point I'm not concerned with them Harry...do you believe it's sinful.


--- Quote --- Are we supposed to preach to them that they are sinners and should get [for lack of a better term]"divorced"?
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I don't believe that your idea of preaching is biblical...it's traditional/fundamental...which is fundamentally wrong IMO.  What 'good news' is there is telling someone they're a sinner?  None IMO.  Tell them to "get divorced"  What for, so they can live in hell here and now, in that area of their life,  for the rest of their lives?  I don't care about the 'here after' for them, I care about the kingdom of God for them here and now...that was the gospel of Jesus.  Anything we don't accomplish in obedience for God this side of "eternity" He will take care of in the next age/s to come IMO.

1CO 1:21  For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
It's not our call to 'make' them believe, but it is our 'part' to preach/teach/talk...the truth IMO.


--- Quote ---They are as much a couple as my wife and I are. I don't see that as a viable alternative.  At what point does witnessing,  whatever that means to you,  become judgemental and divisive  to those who don't believe as you do?
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When you become part of their problem instead of part of their answer.  When it's you who is offending them and not 'the truth' that's offensive to them.  No one can give you a black and white line here.  You must be led of the Sspirit to minister seeds of truth into their soul.  The growth must come from God.

Feat, it sounds to me like you truly have a 'right heart' for them, and that's good and admirable.  But it sounds to me like you believe that they're really at peace in this relationship...I don't, not deep down.  And it also sounds like you really don't believe it is a 'sinful relationship'...while I do.

Thoughts?   

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