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God Knows All?
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: claypot on March 21, 2010, 01:21:34 PM ---And Marq, I do hear you about forever asking the same question but you all are like a drink of water to a very thirsty man.
cp
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It's no problem CP, but remember...even if a man is very thirsty, too much water can cause him to choke.
If you select the 'Search' option, near the top of the forum page, you can do a search on 'accountable' and 'responsible'. We have had many discussions on this subject as well as many references from Ray's teachings (bible studies, conference transcripts, etc.).
Keep seeking,
Marques
Kat:
Hi Claypot,
Here is another email, I have put in bold a section for you to notice.
http://bible-truths.com/email2.htm ----------------
[Ray replies]
Well of course we are getting into a mature subject here, and I certainly would not expect Sunday School children to understand it, it does take some spiritual maturity.
God ABSOLUTELY has raised up people for the EXPRESS PURPOSE OF SINNING so that God could show His power in the earth by simply CONTRAST. See Rom. Chapter nine. (I notice that you are not one to be burdened by quoting Scriptures to back up your statement). Pharaoh was raised up for the EXPRESS purpose of GOING AGAINST God's will and SINNING so that God could then DESTROY HIM. Read it. Paul plainly says so. Stop using human arguments and reasoning. If you can't show me by the Scriptures, then you can't show me.
God planted the true of the knowledge of good and evil, not Satan. And God planted it right in the midst of the Garden where Adam and Eve would surely see it. God watched as Satan maneuvered his way to Eve so as to deceive her. God watched the whole thing! Stop believing that God is surprised or shocked by the actions of His creatures--He is NOT! Besides, the tree contained the knowledge of GOOD! Or did you never notice that? It was GOOD that they ate of the tree. It was GOOD that they disobeyed God. God KNEW THAT THEY WOULD SIN AND DISOBEY FROM LONG BEFORE HE EVER CREATED THEM.
How stupid do you think God is? It is blasphemy the way people talk about God and give Him no more reasoning powers or abilities than sinful men. It is a SHAME. God knew exactly what HE was doing and He knew exactly everything that Adam and Eve WOULD DO. He is GOD. He knows ALL. Must I quote you all these simple Scriptures that most Sunday School children already know?
The Lamb of God was "slain from the FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD," the Scriptures tell us. Not from the "sin of Eve." God made provision for the salvation of Adam and Eve BEFORE HE EVER CREATED THEM--that is Scripture! That is not man's theories! I don't have time or space to explain the whole plan of salvation to you in one e-mail. Read ALL of my letters to Kennedy and Hagee, then write me if you have a question.
One last thought for you. God DID create men spiritually weak so that they cannot resist sin. "ALL have sinned..."It obviously IS God's will that for a time we go AGAINST His will. But. . . BUT, NO ONE EVER goes against God's "INTENTION." There is a giant difference. Paul's detractors ask in Roman's nine, "For who has gone against God's INTENTION?" And the answer is, absolutely NO ONE. It could not even BE God's will that all be saved, unless first ALL ARE LOST!
If only theologians could come to understand that God is not running a damage control center from His throne of the universe. God is NOT picking up the pieces. He is not trying to get things back to being as good as they once were. He is not trying to figure out how to outsmart Satan. He is not falling behind, numerically, as far as how many will be saved and how many will be lost. God is far smarter and wiser than the stupid men who come up with these insane and blasphemous theories and doctrines.
God has a PLAN. (Wow, now there's a revelation for theologians). And God is working out that plan to perfection on a perfect schedule, and He will loose NOTHING! Paul tells us in Rom. 11:36 that ALL is out of God and THROUGH God and FOR God. God is creating man in His OWN IMAGE. It is a PROCESS. That process is on perfect schedule. It WILL be successful. Christ IS the saviour of the world and therefore, He WILL SAVE THE WORLD. How can you be a minister of the gospel and doubt God's ability to save all of His children? That's insane.
Anyway, I gotta go, I have many more e-mails to answer.
May God guide you into His perfect will.
Sincerely,
Ray
claypot:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on March 21, 2010, 01:26:48 PM ---
It is not God's Will that we dis-obey Him cp.
Eve wanted to eat the fruit because she was spiritually weak. She saw the fruit and it appealed to every single weakness in her heart and she was motivated by that weakness to dis-obey God. That is NOT the Will of God that we should remain carnal, weak and automatic sinning machines. L Ray Smith
As East is different to West, so is God's Will different to God's Plan as is God's Responsibility different to human accountability.
As Ray has spent thousands of hours and years of prayer and meditation on these Truths that he shares, so too, should we not expect to grasp and be able to apply them the moment we read them. God provides both the DESIRE to understand and the ABILITY to comprehend successfully. This is not a hop, skip and jump achievement. It is a huge Blessing of Gods Generosity that we even begin to understand His Truth and His Spirit. :)
Arc
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I’m 52 Arc and I have spent almost exactly 30 years searching out the things of God. My desire has only grown which to me is a miracle of God within me. The words on this forum from you all and Ray’s writings have been very refreshing.
Now as to not being God’s will that we disobey Him I kind of agree with what Ray wrote……..
“One last thought for you. God DID create men spiritually weak so that they cannot resist sin. "ALL have sinned..."It obviously IS God's will that for a time we go AGAINST His will.”
I can’t get the bold and whatever to work so I put Ray’s words in italics.
cp
claypot:
Hey Kat and Marq, Thanks for all the links and tips. Kat On Ray’s site, I just finished reading this last one you gave me and it is very good and one I need to ponder afresh soon. I am working my way through all of his writings . They are words that need to be read over and over and over. I am posting here and will get involved in other threads as I get time and through interacting I know I will gain. I hope God uses me to give from time to time too but I am grateful for patient brothers and sisters who give of their abundance!
cp
Kat:
Hi Claypot,
It is a lot to take in and wrap your mind around. But I think you are doing the right thing to "read over and over and over," because it will sink in a little more every time. So don't try to rush things, just take things as they come. We are here to discuss things while we are learning and to encourage one another, glad you are with us.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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