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God Knows All?
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: claypot on March 21, 2010, 07:20:17 PM ---Hey Kat and Marq, Thanks for all the links and tips.
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You're welcome, CP
--- Quote from: Kat on March 21, 2010, 09:05:26 PM ---Hi Claypot,
It is a lot to take in and wrap your mind around. But I think you are doing the right thing to "read over and over and over," because it will sink in a little more every time. So don't try to rush things, just take things as they come. We are here to discuss things while we are learning and to encourage one another, glad you are with us.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Ditto for what Kat posted above. I think I read from the website for over a year before joining the forum. Everything taught by Ray was so much and so new.
Marques
Deborah-Leigh:
This is a valuable opportunity to exercise what we understand to be the Will of God. :)
There is a difference between referring to either the noun or the verb when we refer to God’s Will.
As a noun, God’s will is virtually synonymous with His GOAL. LOF Installment XV – Part A
God’s Plan is that humankind will resist His will until such time as His Goal, God’s Ultimate Will, is achieved.
No one will be against God’s Ultimate Will but all are against His Will until the Goal is reached.
So cp, when I stated that I do not believe that it is God’s Will for Eve to go against Him, what Will was I referring to? The Noun or the Verb? :D ;)
Arc
claypot:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on March 22, 2010, 04:58:25 AM ---This is a valuable opportunity to exercise what we understand to be the Will of God. :)
There is a difference between referring to either the noun or the verb when we refer to God’s Will.
As a noun, God’s will is virtually synonymous with His GOAL. LOF Installment XV – Part A
God’s Plan is that humankind will resist His will until such time as His Goal, God’s Ultimate Will, is achieved.
No one will be against God’s Ultimate Will but all are against His Will until the Goal is reached.
So cp, when I stated that I do not believe that it is God’s Will for Eve to go against Him, what Will was I referring to? The Noun or the Verb? :D ;)
Arc
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I hear ya Arc. I use the terms absolute and relative to describe what you seem to me to be describing. If you agree, I think we are on the same page. You seem like one ‘blessed by God’ person, I’m glad you’re taking the time with me to help out.
It’s very refreshing to know all is of God. I talked with a few friends that came over to my house yesterday. We concluded that it is the foundation that people have that needs changing. I got some of this from Ray’s words about how he doesn’t even know of more than a few of his critics that his arguments have caused a big turn around in their lives.
Here is what I mean. If your foundation is Calvanism then you will make all of Scripture line up with that and of course if you believe most will burn in hell forever (like Calvanists) and that only a relatively few will go to Heaven then you will filter all of Scripture through that filter so all ends up saying to you exactly what you want it to say.
Now, I believe this is from God because as I was saying this I got convicted and said out loud to my friends that that is exactly what I do. At one time I believed most would burn forever but somehow my base changed about 15 years ago. Why did it change? Why could I do a complete foundation change and many I have talked to now for years cannot? Of course we know it is God, all God.
Anyway, my base changed. I started to filter all of Scripture through the foundation or filter that says God wants something and what God wants, God will get. So simple. It is amazing the lengths people go to to distort Scripture to get it through their filter but again they think I am doing the same to get Scripture through my filter so we are at a stalemate.
What I am learning from literally 30 years of debating and searching out and eating Scripture like a madman is that until God so works in and on a person to the point where his or her foundation changes then trying to use Scripture to make another see what I see is futile.
What really floors me is when I put forth the filters to others and explain things a bit, what floors me is how they don’t even want the idea that God will save all to be true or at least they never admit it.
I say to them that they have to at least admit the idea that God will save all has some degree of legitimacy and they will often say that it kind of does. For them to go even this far is a miracle. But then I ask them to just try to filter all of what they believe and all of Scripture through the filter in their brain and heart that says God wants all saved and God will get what He wants and then I give them the verses that state exactly what God wants and how He always gets what He wants and then they usually totally back out at that point. Just can’t do it.
Anyway, I am blessed to have about 6 people in the last 15 years or so come to some acceptance and understanding of what I believe is true. Only 6 but those 6 are blessings beyond imagination.
This is getting way too long so I’ll quit.
You all are great. I will continue reading with you all.
cp
Kat:
Hi Ricky,
--- Quote ---Jesus does stop SOME crime and SOME evil from taking place or happening. What crimes and what evils does He stop.
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Understand that everything that happens is in the plan of God, even when a crime is taking place and someone steps in to 'stop' it, that was already determined to happen that way.
The complexity of God's creation and the events that happen in this world are in a very complicated interconnected course, but happen the only way that is possible according to His plan. The sovereignty of God is total and everything is just as He ordained it to be.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
claypot:
--- Quote from: Kat on March 22, 2010, 08:48:19 AM ---
Hi Ricky,
--- Quote ---Jesus does stop SOME crime and SOME evil from taking place or happening. What crimes and what evils does He stop.
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Understand that everything that happens is in the plan of God, even when a crime is taking place and someone steps in to 'stop' it, that was already determined to happen that way.
The complexity of God's creation and the events that happen in this world are in a very complicated interconnected course, but happen the only way that is possible according to His plan. The sovereignty of God is total and everything is just as He ordained it to be.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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It's a matrix.
cp
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