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Soul/Spirit Question
Kat:
Hi Claypot,
--- Quote ---I can give you Scripture after Scripture to ‘prove’ my point but if your filter or foundation is other than mine then every Scripture I give you will be met with a rejection. If I am correct in any way it will take God Himself to show you and where I am wrong I will need God to show me and I know we both will rest comfortably in that.
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We do not reject the truth of the Scripture here, so please give us chapter and verse to what you are referring to. When we have our eyes opened to the truth it is God's Holy Spirit that shows us all what we learn in the Scriptures, and that Holy Spirit teaches us all the same thing, that is what brings the unity of the Spirit.
Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
--- Quote ---Now saying all that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t share and share abundantly what we have or even what we think we have from God so I will continue for you all are very gracious and human and divine and I feel good here!
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If you come here to teach us, please take your teaching elsewhere.
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We have this rule so that there will not be confusion. That's why we use Ray's articles as a bases of how we explain things. When we are trying to put things in our own words then slight variances in what we are saying can be exaggerated when another person tries to understand it and this leads to confusion. This is not the place to "share abundantly what we have or even what we think we have from God." We need to just keep to the source that brought us all here, Bible Truths.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
claypot:
Hey Arc, relax a bit. I am sorry. I don't think I'm doing any of the things you think I'm doing or you think I'm inferring. Let's call it a day and let God sort it out. You win, I may be all wrong. What I see I see and I will answer to God for it.
I am not giving up, just want to keep it simple and within the guidelines of this site. I am for the building up of the saints and I need building up more than most but I don't think I'm as bad as your words seem to imply, but I will not judge you by a few posts on a thread in cyberspace. It would be an honor to meet you face to face some day but that will probably never happen but if it did I know any misunderstandings would be cleared up. My communicative skills are not as good via postings as my face to face encounters.
Let's see, I do want to, because you asked, respond to your last question.
I see, and now you got me afraid to answer, (just kidding) but I see God trying to communicate to us that in the sending of His Son into the world He is showing us that because we are in a carnal, natural way that we need an infusion of His Divinity as it were. His Son. I am earth or a world. I tend to see every human as a world. So complex and unique. God sends His Son into the world (me, you, all). And we come to believe through His workings in us, for it is God who wills and works in us.
This is all I will say for now for I think it will offend you even more. Better I stick to safer topics for now. I will re-read all your words to me though and talk to God, our Father and go from there. His word will not return void, in my life or yours or anyone’s.
Sorry again for any anxiety I may have caused you or anyone on this forum. I am not here to get anyone to believe as I do as you accused me of. I do want to share and glean but I will be careful. None of us know all and I am content with that and I am the first to admit I probably know less than most but I do think God has given me a morsel or two to chew while I work my way through this episode of life.
cp
claypot:
Kat, I hear ya and understand. Thanks and I will keep striving to 'fit in' a bit better. Thanks for your patience.
cp
daywalker:
Claypot,
I think this excerpt below will help you with your understanding of body, soul, and spirit... It helped me...
Daywalker
http://bible-truths.com/kennedy2.htm
TV ANALOGY: Body, spirit & Soul
Here is an analogy that is applicable and easy to understand: God's spirit gives life to the body. Only in life does a man have consciousness or sensation. When God takes back His spirit, the body and soul are dead.
Picture a TV console as representing the human BODY with all its intricate circuitry and components.
Now picture ELECTRICITY as the invisible, powerful force representing God's life-giving SPIRIT.
Picture the blank PICTURE TUBE as representing the SOUL.
Without the electricity (God's spirit), the TV and picture tube (body and soul) are dead. All the time I hear preachers talking about our souls and our spirits as if they were one and the same. Soul and spirit are not one and the same.
Next plug in the electricity (God's spirit). The TV comes to life, and we see the picture tube (soul) animated. We see color, sound, dancing, singing, talking, intelligent conversations, all live via satellite. The dead TV becomes a living, visible, animated, intelligent entity-"Soul." But notice very carefully, the Soul (the animated picture in the TV tube) is not one of the original components. It is not a component in and by itself, but is rather the result of two other vital components, Body and Spirit (the TV console and electricity).
At bedtime I sometimes tell my daughter to give the TV a rest. When one turns off the "on/off" switch the TV goes to "sleep." The power light is still on, but the TV is blank and silent.
But now, pull the plug and take away the electricity (spirit) and what happens to the TV console (body)? It dies. It's just a box of circuits. Not even the power light is on anymore. If left unplugged it will, in time, decay and return to the dust of the ground.
And what happens to the colorful animated picture on the screen (soul) when we take away the electricity (spirit)? Want the real answer? Ask a child. Let several children watch TV together, then pull the plug and ask them where the picture went? A child will shrug his shoulders or say "I don't know" or say "It disappeared." Guess what? He is Scripturally correct on all three counts.
Without spirit there is no life and no consciousness. Without power a TV has no life and no animated picture. It's dead.
If you were to ask an ancient Hebrew person what happens to the soul (the thinking, feeling, animated, sentient personality of a man) at death, he would shrug his shoulders or say "who knows" or just say "it disappears." That's what "Sheol" meant to the Hebrews. It was a question mark. And the Greeks had their word for the same idea (Hades-the UNSEEN, the IMPERCEPTIBLE), and hades and sheol are synonymous in Scripture (Ps 16:10 & Acts 2:27).
There is one more profound Scriptural truth that is also perfectly analogous to the operation of a TV, and that is this: Picture God's Throne as the Broadcast Headquarters. The TV picture Tube, by itself, is not the source or originator of the picture it portrays on the screen. It is a channel for the signal transmitted from the TV Station and Tower. It can only manifest and portray on its screen that which is sent from the source [God]. And often the source [God] uses intermediaries like satellites [Angels] to relay the signals.
In Scripture, death is called a "return" [Heb. shub]. Before we were born we had no body, no soul, and no perception of any kind. At birth God gave us a body, implanted to us His spirit, which gives the body perception (through the brain and the five senses). At death, we [shub] RETURN. The reversal of what happened at birth. The spirit returns to God (Ecc. 12:7), the body returns to the dust (all the elements of man's body are found in the ground or earth) (Job 10:9, Ecc. 3:18-21), and the soul returns to no perception again (the imperceptible or unseen-hades) (Acts 2:27 and Psalm 49:15). This is what the Scriptures very plainly teach: where all that man "is" came from, that's where all that man "is" returns to.
claypot:
--- Quote from: daywalker on March 23, 2010, 11:35:53 AM ---
Claypot,
I think this excerpt below will help you with your understanding of body, soul, and spirit... It helped me...
Daywalker
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It helps much, thanks Day.
cp
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