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Parable of the Nobleman?
claypot:
--- Quote from: Lupac on March 26, 2010, 10:16:09 AM ---
All 10 of the servants are the "chosen", the citizens are the many called, I think. What about Luke 19:27?
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I wonder why we only have revealed what happened to 3 of the servants? How did the other 7 do? We know 1 out of 3 did bad, 2 did good.
--- Quote from: Lupac on March 26, 2010, 10:16:09 AM ---
What does the "slaying" symbolize? (I'm guessing God's judgments, right?)
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Hi Lupac, I had a question about that part too. Seems like the Spirit is keeping us on the same page here.
My question is, is the killing of all that is lazy and opposes God a good and needful thing?
cp
claypot:
--- Quote from: claypot on March 26, 2010, 09:59:05 AM ---Many are called and few chosen.
In this parable I see the opposite. I see 2 chosen and 1 'called' or rejected. Exponentially this would work out to many chosen and few called. Any writings of Ray's on this particular aspect?
Am I missing something here?
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--- Quote from: mharrell08 on March 26, 2010, 10:24:07 AM ---
No, Ray does not teach that it is many chosen and few called. The scriptures state:
Matt 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
Matt 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Just because the ratio in this parable was 2 chosen vs. 1 called, does not mean that is the absolute ratio for all mankind. The Lord is not teaching ratios, He is teaching what it is to DO the Will of God.
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I’m sorry Marq, you did not understand what I said. I did not say Ray taught that many are chosen and few are called. I just called to attention that in the parable there are more condemned than are chosen. I then tried to ask (my bad for not communicating well) if Ray had any further teachings on this parable that might shed some light on his teachings that this parable is about many being called but few chosen and it applying to individuals.
--- Quote from: Lupac on March 26, 2010, 10:16:09 AM ---All 10 of the servants are the "chosen", the citizens are the many called, I think. What about Luke 19:27? What does the "slaying" symbolize? (I'm guessing God's judgments, right?)
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--- Quote from: mharrell08 on March 26, 2010, 10:24:07 AM ---
No, all 10 servants are not chosen seeing how one was wicked and disobedient.
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Marq, does Ray teach that all the called are dealt with as harshly as we see in this parable?
cp
Kat:
Hi Claypot,
Luke 19:21 For I feared You, because You are an austere man. You collect what You did not deposit, and reap what You did not sow.'
We have just seen in the previous verses where Christ has rewarded His servants/Elect at His return. Now here in verse 21 we see another person that Christ is addressing at His return. This is someone who was among the Elect, but does not seem happy about Christ's return and was not prepared.
Luke 12:47 And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to His will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
This is also what we see in the parable of the wheat and the tares. The tares are those among the wheat/Elect, but are not wheat/Elect and those will go into the lake of fire to judgement.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather up first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn.
The number of persons in these parables are relative to what is being specifically spoken of.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
P.S. Lupac I think you are right about what verse 27 is speaking of.
claypot:
--- Quote from: Kat on March 26, 2010, 10:46:43 AM ---
Hi Claypot,
Luke 19:21 For I feared You, because You are an austere man. You collect what You did not deposit, and reap what You did not sow.'
We have just seen in the previous verses where Christ has rewarded His servants/Elect at His return. Now here in verse 21 we see another person that Christ is addressing at His return. This is someone who was among the Elect, but does not seem happy about Christ's return and was not prepared.
Luke 12:47 And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to His will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
This is also what we see in the parable of the wheat and the tares. The tares are those among the wheat/Elect, but are not wheat/Elect and those will go into the lake of fire to judgement.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather up first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn.
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Kat, do you see God as austere? Do you see this parable as defining God as austere?
--- Quote from: Kat on March 26, 2010, 10:46:43 AM ---
The number of persons in these parables are relative to what is being specifically spoken of.
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I don’t understand what you mean here Kat.
--- Quote from: Kat on March 26, 2010, 10:46:43 AM ---
P.S. Lupac I think you are right about what verse 27 is speaking of.
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Do you see vs 27 as saying that all that is not of God will be harshly eliminated?
cp
claypot:
--- Quote from: Kat on March 26, 2010, 10:46:43 AM ---
This is also what we see in the parable of the wheat and the tares. The tares are those among the wheat/Elect, but are not wheat/Elect and those will go into the lake of fire to judgement.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather up first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn.
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Kat, are you saying here that the tares are the called? According to you does Ray teach that there are only the chosen and called? Just the 2 classes of people?
cp
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