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View of the cross?
Kat:
Hi Lupac,
Here are a couple of emails that should help with your question.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3460.msg25787.html#msg25787 ----
I really marvel that anyone would ask this questions, yet hundreds of asked it and continue to ask it regularly. The question should rather be: "If most people are NOT saved from some eternal hellhole of torture, then WHY did Jesus have to die to be a Saviour to billions of people who will never be saved? That should be the obvious question.
The answer, however, to your question is, it is ONLY by means of Jesus' sacrifice and sin Offering for our sins that ANYONE could ever be saved, and it is by the same means that ALL WILL BE SAVED.
ALL HAVE SINNED, and Jesus DIED FOR THE SINS OF "ALL" THE WORLD (I John 2:2).
The wages of sin is DEATH, and therefore Jesus will ABOLISH DEATH (I Cor. 15:26), so that ALL MAY BE SAVED (I Tim. 2:4) seeing that He gave Himself a ransom FOR ALL (Ver. 6), but this ransom will be testified only, "in DUE TIME." This age is NOT the time for the salvation of all. This is "a" day of salvation, but not "the" day or only day of salvation. See my HELL Part D to be posted next month for all the details of this and much much more.
http://bible-truths.com/email13.htm --------------------------------------
[Ray Replies]
Dear Jere:
When we come to realize the Scriptural truth that there is no ETERNAL HELL-HOLE OF TORTURE IN FIRE, does that mean there is NOTHING else to be saved from?
Consider: "The wages of sin is DEATH." Who or What will save us from THIS FATE, Jere? If you answer is NO ONE, then this life is all there is, and there ain't no more, because we have ALL SINNED. But we can be very thankful that God was well aware of this problem in humanity and provided for it:
"For the wages of sin IS death; but the GIFT of God is eternal [eonian life followed by deathless immortality] THROUGH [this is the reason He died] Jesus Christ our Lord" (Rom. 6:23).
We will also be saved from: pain, disease, heartache, fear, weariness, boredom, hatred, laziness, immorality, stupidity, vanity, inferiority, weakness, addiction, worry, failure, and a thousand other things that we all need salvation from!
Asking why Jesus had to die on the cross IF all people will be saved anyway is about like asking: "I can understand why the fireman had to go into the burning building to save one trapped person, but since he, in fact, saved ALL TEN TRAPPED PERSONS, why did he have to go into the burning building AT ALL?
You see, that HOW the fireman saved ALL TEN TRAPPED PERSONS, and going to the cross to die is HOW Jesus Christ saves ALL HUMANITY!
God be with you,
Ray
onelovedread:
Lupac:
I wonder what you really mean by "view of the cross".
Are you asking why Jesus died on the cross? What really do you mean by "view"?
What is it that you're trying to gain from this thread?
I don't get it. I am as perplexed as Marques because I don't see the point.
There is so much that Ray has written on Jesus' shedding of His blood to save all, that it really makes one wonder if we are reading the articles and teachings. Even the emails to Ray answer several questions.
I am sorry, but I'm just saying....
Onelovedread
musicman:
god is so mad that the Jews killed his son that we are now required to wear the heaviest cross around our necks possible. And the more gold used in its construction, the better. Gold weighs a lot, so the more gold u wear now in the shape of a cross, the more gold will be laced through your house in heaven.
Lupac:
--- Quote from: onelovedread on April 21, 2010, 06:13:12 PM ---Lupac:
I wonder what you really mean by "view of the cross".
Are you asking why Jesus died on the cross? What really do you mean by "view"?
What is it that you're trying to gain from this thread?
I don't get it. I am as perplexed as Marques because I don't see the point.
There is so much that Ray has written on Jesus' shedding of His blood to save all, that it really makes one wonder if we are reading the articles and teachings. Even the emails to Ray answer several questions.
I am sorry, but I'm just saying....
Onelovedread
--- End quote ---
My question was not so much "why" Jesus died but "how". If you understand. In what way did Jesus dieing save us from sin? I was talking in my first post a "penal substitution", it's the most common view in Babylon, so I figured it wasn't true. It states that since we sin, God "needed" blood in order to forgive us, to "appease" Him. I knew that couldn't be right, so I asked what was. Thanks.
longhorn:
Musicmans post caused me to dribble some giggle spital.
Love in Christ
Longhorn
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