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Why did Jesus say "why do you call me good?"
G. Driggs:
I just want to say this thread has been an answer to my prayers. I have been having a real hard time with not knowing Who to worship and pray to. You would think after a couple years at bible truths I would know, but I did not. Never the less I continued to ask God to "show me" as Ray would say, and it was not until I read this post and dug a little deeper that I realized it was ok to worship and pray to Jesus, because if I pray to Jesus then I'm also praying to the Father, through Jesus. I just wanna say thank you all for this thread, and thank God!
Peace, G.Driggs
GinaMilan:
Sure, G. Driggs. Say, did you notice my update in my post above?
UPDATE: I've been saying, above, that Jesus was the Creator since He did the creating, but I just noticed something I missed in the 2007 Nashville conference that Ray points out: "Who is the Savior of the world? Jesus Christ. God is the Savior of the world! Yes Jesus Christ is the channel through who it comes. But God almighty is the Savior of the world. He’s also the Creator. We are actually going to find out, who actually did the creating? Christ. But who is the Creator? God the Father, ok. "
Source: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html
The way I understand it, and maybe I'm incorrect, is that Jesus is the way to the Father of us all (and that includes Jesus Christ). Worshiping the Father means believing (hearing/seeing with spiritual eyes and ears) and obeying His Word-which Jesus Christ is. (I'm sorry, I hope I didn't just confuse you even more.) What I'm trying to say is, worship is belief in and obedience to the Word which came by way of Jesus from the Father. I don't know that it really matters whether we address God the Father or Jesus Christ in our prayers because they're One - they're in agreement on everything. And while God the Father is greater than Jesus, Jesus still intercedes for us, so why can't we address Jesus? If I'm obeying Jesus' Word (which is the Word from Father), I'm actually worshiping our Father. It pleases the Father when we obey His Word (which is Jesus). I think of Jesus as my older Brother who points me to our Father but I frankly address them both when I'm talking with them -- they're in a sense both talking to us, right? I don't think it's sacrilege at all. Jesus said that the Father will (that's a definite) send us the Holy Spirit and He would teach us all things. The Holy Spirit will teach you whether what I'm saying is truth or not.
Think of it like you're the owner of a company and you need someone to run the office while you're busy being you -- you don't talk, you just make the rules. haha. So, you hire an office manager who is the person who trains your employees as to how to run the company. You and the office manager are in agreement on how the company should be run, so the manager is your mouthpiece to the subordinates/employees. And that's just the way it works with God the Father (who is Spirit) and His Son Jesus Christ -- His Word. And it pleases you, the owner of the company, when your employees obey your office manager, because when they obey him/her, they're in essence really obeying you.
So don't worry, please. You're going to be fine.
G. Driggs:
I totally agree with you GinaMilan, it does not really matter Who I address, as they are One. Before this, I always kind of did what you do, and that was to address them both, in fear I would somehow offend One of Them. Now I have a bit more peace, confidence and faith that whatever I tell Jesus I'm in effect telling the Father. This subject has caused me a lot of confusion in the past, but not anymore as of this thread. Things seem to take a while to sink in with me, even though I've read them many times.
Thanks GinaMilan for the update.
G.Driggs
Deborah-Leigh:
Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
I feel so grateful and joyfilled to know you all and hear your sweet words of peace, fellowship and encouragement which is love for and with His Spirit with us and among us. It is such a privilage to be among you all.
We as one with Christ and the Spirit of Christ that is within us, we cry Abba, Father. His Spirit is witness of His Spirit rising us up as one voice to the Father as we are joined to and in Him within and among us.
Our fullness of time is come.
Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, coming into being out of a woman, having come under Law,
Does this make our brothers subservient or lower than the Daughter or sister of His Kingdom? NO!
Rom 10:15 And how shall they (our brothers) preach unless THEY are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace and bring glad tidings of good things!"
The brothers and Sons of God, let them preach whilst we the Daughters and sisters of the Kingdom of our God, bring glad tidings of love and encouragement in our Unity to and with and of Him Who prayed …let them be ONE.
Joh 17:23 I in them, and You in Me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them as You have loved Me.
Arc
GinaMilan:
--- Quote from: G. Driggs on May 30, 2010, 02:30:00 AM ---I totally agree with you GinaMilan, it does not really matter Who I address, as they are One. Before this, I always kind of did what you do, and that was to address them both, in fear I would somehow offend One of Them. Now I have a bit more peace, confidence and faith that whatever I tell Jesus I'm in effect telling the Father. This subject has caused me a lot of confusion in the past, but not anymore as of this thread. Things seem to take a while to sink in with me, even though I've read them many times.
Thanks GinaMilan for the update.
G.Driggs
--- End quote ---
Yeah, seriously -- I mean, look at all the information Ray has on his website, and then there are the videos and audios in addition to the 66 books of the bible. Whoaa! And there's the forum, too. Man, that's a lot. And you got me thinking too -- and I just realized I don't pick a time and start praying, because I'm kinda thinking all day long. And when my prayers are answered, I think I thank them both? haha -- I just never really thought about it before. Sometimes I say thank you God (but I'm not consciously thinking Jesus and the Father)!!! You're so cool!! Or I'll say, Wow Jesus, you're so wonderful - thank you so much!" But hey, that's just how I'm feeling -- I don't actually think about it - I just say, "God..." while I sit in a lotus position. I'M KIDDING!! haha.
Sometimes I thank God out loud "Thank you, God!" and my coworkers are all like, "Hey, no problem, G. Anything I can do to help." psshhh ;D
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