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judith collier:
I tried to find Aug. 13 in general discussions and came across only one that wasn't what you mentioned.  Help.

Deborah-Leigh:


--- Quote ---why does God Create something out of Himself who is already Complete
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Joh 4:23  Yet the hour is coming, and is now here, when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. Indeed, the Father is looking for people like that to worship him.

Who better to worship God than His Children who are as and with Him in Spirit and in Truth.  :)

God is our perfect, trustworthy family, home, destination and hope.

Arc

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on June 09, 2010, 05:44:25 PM ---The scriptures clearly teach that the Father had no beginning.  The scriptures also teach that Jesus did have a beginning.  Where did Jesus come from?  Jesus came from the Father.  He was created by the Father, came out of the Father, formed by the Father.  There was a time when Jesus did not exist.  Then there was a time when He did exist.  His Father God made, formed, created Him.  This is pretty elementary stuff and easy to understand.  If I have said something not true, then please show by scripture what is not true.
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Hey John,

I just want to step in and say that from reading Dave's post, he was not in disagreement with you. If you notice in Dave's comments, he calls it a 'truth' that Jesus was/is created.

I initially posted some thoughts as well regarding Jesus coming forth from the Father. But I am learning to not 'build on another man's foundation' as Paul notes in Rom 15:20. What I mean by that is if the truth is already preached, it is best to let that stand. I've noticed, lately more than ever, that in our zeal to express the truth, we can trip over one another and cause confusion even though our intentions are good.

In sticking with the original subject based on Judy's comment, it seems you both are in agreement that Jesus came forth from the Father. Whether another member disagrees with that or not, it does us no good to continue to harp back and forth. If a member is not pushing an agenda, let them be in disagreement. As you noted, it is only by the spirit that understanding is given...we can only plant the seed.


Hope this helps,

Marques

judith collier:
 I read and re-read everything, examined scripture that was mentioned and----i think I got what you all were saying. Jesus is subject to and came (created, brought forth, etc.) from the Father, begotten of the Father, Jesus IS God, NOT ALSO, as two Gods, because that would be dualism. Just like trinity gets people thinking three Gods.
Now, I DON"T claim what I am about to say is true, just speculating here. When I said I believed Jesus was always, let's use the word PRESENT with the Father I have re-thought that (scripture) but just like an earthly mother or father the thought one day of conceiving a child is always in the back of one's mind, existing but not manifested. MAYBE that would explain Jesus referring to Himself as "I Am."
I'll bet someone will think that is pretty egotistical of me to come up with that but that's me. No apologies.
Never have I heard before this that Jesus was SUBJECT to the Father. But then again I was taught doctrine, scripture too but mostly doctrine.
Thank you so much for putting up with me. Judy

judith collier:
On another note I read 4 (four pages) of this same subject and I just want to say I asked all the same questions that Roy Mosin or Morin asked. The patience extended to Roy was not of the same degree shown to me by a few here and I just wanted to state that. I did not like that, "idols of the heart" I have no idols.
Roy questioned CREATED also! I aquiessed because I don't want to argue. I still think CREATED is a poor choice of a word. But, not to throw the chicken out with the bath water so be it. judy

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