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God, the Father
Dave in Tenn:
I reckon I should withdraw that "not one of us has perfect understanding, just idols of the heart" statement and only stick with the heart I know--that's mine.
When I was a child, I 'saw' God the way Ray talks about in the passage Kat quoted earlier in the thread...as a wise old man up in the sky someplace. Turns out I was wrong. When I got a little older, I 'saw' Him as a tremendously HUGE and POWERFUL and ALL-WISE old man who could magicly be everywhere all at once. Turns out I was wrong then too.
If those two 'images' of God--and every subsequent one since then as I've grown and learned--were not "IDOLS of the HEART" then I confess I have absolutely no idea what an Idol of the heart is.
I've testified in the forum a number of times that the changes being wrought in my life since I've believed the Gospel have in large measure come from 'seeing' God more and more clearly, more and more Glorified. If Idols of MY heart had not been crushed, then I wouldn't have had room for the blessing of 'seeing' the Lord to the (admittedly limited, dark, incomplete, falling-short-of-the-Glory) extent I have.
I hope that those limited, dark, incomplete, falling short idols will continue to fall. I have to believe they will, because Scripture did say "...we shall be like Him, for we shall SEE Him as He is." Don't we get a 'down-payment' on that promise now?
I don't know what else to say--which is surely part of the problem.
Deborah-Leigh:
An idol of the heart could well be the Mind of Christ that would surely be well pleasing to God would it not? There is good leaven.
Luk 13:21 It is like leaven, (SINCERITY AND TRUTH)which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
There is bad leaven.
Mat 16:11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven (MALICE, WICKEDNESS AND HYPOCRICY)of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
Our present mortality is unequaled to our love for Him, the true idol of our hearts, destiny of our souls and love of our lives. We are unmatched to each other. Our match is to His Spirit that is our Unity with Him in the bond of Peace to Him. That bond of Peace is in unity to His Spirit which is our blessing and privilege in being His new creation.
God knows where each of us are in the scheme of His Plans and Purposes. If anyone of us speaks a wrong thing about God, then there is ample room here for edification, guidance and fruitful writings of which the BT site is well equipped. :D
Seeing and tasting that the Word of God is good with joy and gratitude of the benefit given to us by God to communicate knowledge of Him should find no fault between us for more and exceedingly greater is our benefit blessing and joy of exchanging words and thoughts of our God and His Spirit as we share testimonies, blessings and insights all of God and all in gratitude for the knowledge we share of Him that is given to us by Him.
We are new creations 8) :)
Our like-mindedness is not with one another or any other mortal brethren ~ it is with Christ Who is incomparably unmatched!
Our unity to Christ is not something we create, it is present, already created by our Lord, that He brings to us as He is Present to and with us in our hearts and individual homes of our souls that are in His making and His council. How wonderful is that to contemplate, treasure and focus upon. We meet each other in that Unity with His Spirit and that is our bond, our blessing and our opportunity in fellowship of Him. 8)
Arc
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on June 10, 2010, 06:52:15 AM ---An idol of the heart could well be the Mind of Christ that would surely be well pleasing to God would it not?
--- End quote ---
Arc,
I think we all understand your intentions with the above statement, as they are good. But I it can lead to confusion to refer to the Mind of Christ as an idol of the heart.
The Lord always refers to 'idols of the heart' with great disdain. Though the Lord tells us to worship Him with all our heart, He never says to refer to Him or His Word as an idol of the heart.
Remember it is out of the heart which proceeds all wickedness [Matt 15:19]. Every idol of the heart mentioned in scripture is a form of wickedness, never of righteousness.
Marques
Deborah-Leigh:
Let there be no confusion 1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. :)
judith collier:
I was thinking golden cows here so I see what everybody was saying. Sorry!
This was a another hard one for me like when dying you are dead and not ressurrected immediately.
But, I cannot and will not deny scripture an when I studied it more I could see some of my wrong learning.
The trinity always confused me but in defense of those who originated it I can see the dilemma.
The Holy Spirit plays such a big part of our lives and with such power that I can see where they were coming from. Yet, again, how did they arrive at this.
I heard of T. J. Jake (I am sure you have heard of him) explaining the trinity once and getting a bunch of flak from theologians that this explanation was not true. He did the thermos bottle definition (which I thought was pretty good) you know 3 parts but 1. They said each part of the trinity was God, well there is a little preposition there, OF, which was neglected as far as I was concerned. The Spirit OF---- I would always get confused as to WHO I should be praying to.
Since I have had a more deeper conversion a few yrs. back I see where the WORD of God made flesh with Jesus (God) was the forerunner to the Father who is Love. I just pray to the Father now in the name of Jesus.
Am I correct here?
Judy
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