23 Minutes in Hell article posted

[Dennis Vogel]

http://bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html

[arion]

Thanks Dennis!!

[chav]

wow! thanks Dennis
Dave

[emkayfey]

Months of anticipation now over. Long live Ray!.

[aqrinc]

http://bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html

Thanks Ray and Dennis.

george.

[GinaMilan]

Thank you.

[Deborah-Leigh]

You can, if you wish, take a stroll through hell in Jerusalem - it is now part of a city park.L. Ray Smith

Another Classic! You've got to love it!

Many thanks!

Arc

[Samson]

Hello All,

            Just saw Ray's New Paper on the Site for the first time, had to work a twelve hour shift and another one starting today at 4:00 PM. Decided to start printing segments of it in 20 page sections and will take the first twenty pages to work, hopefully it will be a laid back peacefull night, if it's God's Will.

                                 KInd Regards, Samson.

[GinaMilan]

Ray wrote:  "Bill Wiese says the grotesque monster pictured above is exactly like one he saw in his recent visit to hell."

In other words, hell is Mr. Wiese's bathroom mirror, psychologically speaking of course.

[Roy Coates]

Powerful.......Prolific........True.......Bookended!!

[hummer]

The Sovereignty of God...There is nothing like it.

Skip

[geokuhns]

Thanks to Ray for an awesome effort. Thank you Dennis. I can hardly wait to read it. 

[Joel]

Thanks to all that have made this available!
Joel

[Roy Coates]

As I read section by section I am amazed at the wealth of Scriptural teaching in this paper. Wow is an understatement. Ray really worked hard on this and it shows. I was inspired to email Bill Wiese and question some of his work. Don't think it will help but did it anyway. It's all part of His grand plan. Thanks Ray, Dennis and the others behind the scene.

[arion]

I had never watched Weiss's videos or read his booklet as I had learned a number of years ago that the more far out/fantastic the various visions, prophecy's, dreams and claims being that are on the internet today the more bizarre and unbelievable they get.  For whatever reason many want their fancies scratched and if something they hear lines up  with what they already believe to be plausable they lap it right up.  W.C. Fields is known to have coined the phrase (I think it was him) 'There is a sucker born every minute' and this is true in the religious realms above all.

I'm only about 3/4 of the way through the article at this point and I can only read about 10 to 15 minutes at a time and I have to do something else for a bit.  The excerpts of Bill's claims that Ray has shared in refuting his statements leaves me feeling polluted and filthy.  The biggest miracle in this whole paper is that Ray could subject himself to Weise's spiritual swill for 8 to 10 hours at a time almost every day for the last several months to write this magnificent paper.  And indeed the darkness that is on Christians spirits that they could read Bill's claims and lap it up as gospel is amazing even to me considering some of the things I used to believe.  God bless Ray for enduring to write this article during a time of great physical challenges and I hope Ray is now able to rest and heal up for a bit before he tackles his next challenge.  As God leads I will link back to this article and I hope God uses this to lead many to his wonderful truths for his entire creation.

[musicman]

I can't believe Bill's misunderstandings of heat shields for re-entry.  If he realized that the heat shields were on the space vehicle it'd go something like this:

We were racing towards the Earth at approximately 16,000 mph.  I cried "jesus, slow down.  We don't have our heat shields and will disentigrate upon re-entry.  But unfortunately, sound doesn't travel in space so jesus couldn't hear me."

[GinaMilan]

I'm on page 32.  This is sickening:


"In Chapter 5 Bill gives examples of the lectures that he and his wife conduct throughout the country. On page 66 of his
book, Bill gives us an example of how his lecture affected one little seven year old girl who attended one of his lectures with
her mother. After the lecture the mother brought the little girl (who had been crying) up to meet Mr. Wiese and relayed to
him what her daughter had said:

"'We have to tell our neighbors about Jesus, because they are going to hell!' She was so upset that she was sobbing at the
thought of her neighbors perishing in such a horrible place."

Rather than showing remorse for causing such fear and pain in a little seven-year-old child, Bill presents this shameful
escapade as a virtue. Unbelievable. What are we to think of a man who would show pictures of such repulsive and
hideously grotesque monsters as shown on our title page, to little children? And at his lectures he not only shows pictures,
but videos of such disgusting and vile monsters while countless people are screaming insanely in vast cauldrons of fire.
We have movie codes to protect little children from such emotion destroying spectacles, yet churches feel perfectly
comfortable showing such spiritual pornographic slime to little children. And far worse, these little children are told that it is
the God that they learned to worship in Sunday school Who created these monsters to torture millions of people
(grandmothers) for all eternity in twelve thousand degree fire."

Ughh!  I'd never read the book or watched the video, and I apologize if I gave the impression that this sort of sick mentality is something to be laughed off.  It's not.  This is horrible.  I'd forgotten how this stuff can make you feel.   Wiese is ....  [insert adjective of your choice here].  Uggh!

[Deborah-Leigh]

Hi Arion

I can strongly empathize with your observation that

The biggest miracle in this whole paper is that Ray could subject himself to Weise's spiritual swill for 8 to 10 hours at a time almost every day for the last several months to write this magnificent paper.

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I too felt loathe to see more evil and subject myself to more polluted filth but was strengthened and encouraged by what Ray said:Knowing truth also involves understanding the origin of these false doctrines of the Church.

We have to know good from evil.

2Co 10:4  (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
2Co 10:5  Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Ray doesn't offer weak denials but presents proof  with evidence that refutes the carnal imaginations of exaltation against the knowledge of God.

A job well done, that has been prepared before hand by God for Ray to walk in!

The follow up of bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ may require the resurrection of the dead because Ray sure kills the doctrines of demons in their tracks! It is also a weapon of our warfare that brings into captivity (not willingly of the one captured, but against their "will" as in being dragged) against the knowledge of God or escaping the destruction of wood and stubble that is burnt by the fire of God's Consuming Spirit.

Ray is certainly a sent laborer in the Word of God who is worthy of our love and appreciation to God for him. I also think Ray has got it right that only a hand full of people, figuratively speaking, will care to read this paper and assimilate its contents. Much like in the time of Moses, the Hebrews wanted nothing to do with God and preferred Moses to go up the mountain alone.

I don't see Ray as Moses but rather the peoplewho followed Moses are still with us today.  Ray is like an Advocate who I blieve, rightly or wrongly, this is my feeling, that Ray could join his pen to John's in the following words of care and council to us.

1Jn 2:1  My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

What is heartening is that God has a benevolent Plan and Purpose to all of this. That is Good News that garrisons our peace in faith through God's Grace and divine influence on our hearts through it all!

Arc

[mharrell08]

I did a price check at Staples for a black & white copy of the new paper: price starts at $16. You can also add things like binding, 3-hole punching, etc. for an additional price.

The paper, when copied to a Word document or PDF, is about 175 pages. I would suggest having a printing company make a copy instead of using all of your personal ink/toner. You want to remember that there are a few pictures in the paper which will use up even more ink.


Just an FYI,

Marques

[arion]

I've been doing a little looking around on the Internet about Mr. Weise.  I found his website and won't duplicate the link but for only $29.95 you can get his book and an audio CD of his message.  Wonder how much his videos are?  There are so many versions that say so many different things you would probably have to buy 6 or 7 of them to get the whole story.  LOL

Also stumbled across a web forum that is not Christian but they were talking about his 'book' after it came out and some of the things they said were quite interesting.  Here are a few snippets.....

Here's a man who wrote a book about his experience in hell. Apparently he spent 23 minutes there before God pulled him out. He believes that hell is located beneath the earth's surface because he talks about "people up on the surface of the earth." His book titled, "23 Minutes in Hell" is on the Christian book list at Beliefnet.com.

Here's some excerpts from the book by Bill Weise: [excerpts]

Question: If hell is below us in the earth, aren't the oil companies who drill for oil taking a chance on poking Satan in the head?



What a load of crap, he had some dream in which he thinks he went to hell. He probably felt sub/unconciously that he has sinned against god and is not sure if he's saved and thus his brain developed this elaborate dream from either random fireings of the brain and/or drugs he took and/or because of lack of oxygen to the brain and/or drugs.


23 Minutes in Hell? Only 23? Hmm...I thought the whole thing about hell was that it was eternal punishment.


this guy is just cashing in on "90 Minutes in Heaven" - a book that has been selling like crazy in Christian circles.


So these so-called near death experiences go against "god's word".  You cannot die, go to heaven or hell, and then come back to die a second time.  Maybe his next book will tell us about his experience in Hogwarts.


Wow, what a dreadfully-written piece of fiction.  Sounds like a high school freshman wrote it.


The only way I could believe a story like that is if it started with, "So I finally decided to try LSD and..."


I agree. [reference high school freshman wrote it] And this great work of bs is among the books on the Christian reading list on beliefnet.com along with Focus on the Family's James Dobson's book on raising Christian children.  These right-wing Christian authors push this ridiculous bs on their followers while warning against atheist "propaganda".  Yet, I've never seen an athesist author try to convince his readers that fantasy is true. Fellow atheists would hold him up to severe scrutiny.  Such scrutiny is rare among Christians.


Making money off of the christian faith.  I would do it too, if I didn't have MORALS.  Except I would write a song, you know, Cartman style... not waste the time writing a silly, silly book.


Hahhahah.  Can anybody tell me how I am supposed to suffer PAIN from even eternal fire if I am dead and have no body and NO nervous system ?  Is my soul made from flesh then ?
Get HELL out of here! I want it on Mars !


I find it interesting how non Christians can gleem on to the foolishness of this and even non-believers know that God is too good to torture people but Christians don't know this.  And yet,  And yet I believed the same things for so many years.  I can't believe now that I ever gave credence to it but I did.  So I am no better, you know?