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galatians22067:
I was hoping someone had something for the following :

Mat 9:14  Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not ?

I am a bit confused by this verse. John seemed to have his own disciples. What exactly was he teaching them ? It seems they were a seperate group from the Pharisees but its confusing to understand why his ministry seemed seperate from the disciples of Christ ?

Any help would be great !

Deborah-Leigh:
The parables are all one.  Revelation is all one. Ref HOW HARD IS GETTING SAVED L Ray Smith

If we apply the understanding shared by Ray, we can better comprehend the verse of Scripture you present.
 
Rom 8:5  For they who are according to the flesh mind the things of flesh, but they who are according to the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

We either see according to the flesh or according to the Spirit.

Remember that Jesus converted no one during His time on earth when He walked in the flesh.

Jesus Christ never converted a person in His whole ministry. Ref HOW HARD IS GETTING SAVED L Ray Smith


Ray often, through the insights he shares, exhorts us to see that there is one overall premise of the Scriptures. That is, many called and few chosen.


It is not surprising that Jesus was asked questions that showed the carnal, flesh view points of those who did not understand. They could not understand. They were not converted.

 Understanding comes only by the Spirit of God. L Ray Smith.  

This was according to the Design of God for our edification and exhortation that we be encouraged to comprehewnd  according to the Spirit not the flesh out of which Jesus was queried as to why his disciples did not fast.

It was not the only time that the disciples of John the Baptist approached Jesus with a query. :)

Arc

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: titus21115 on June 30, 2010, 08:54:30 AM ---I was hoping someone had something for the following :

Mat 9:14  Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not ?

I am a bit confused by this verse. John seemed to have his own disciples. What exactly was he teaching them ? It seems they were a seperate group from the Pharisees but its confusing to understand why his ministry seemed seperate from the disciples of Christ ?

Any help would be great !
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John spoke of the purpose of his ministry:

John 1:19, 23, 26-27  This is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?...He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias....I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.

John says his purpose is to point the way to the Lord. And he does that the next day with his own disciples:

John 1:35-37  the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God! And the two disciples heard him [John] speak, and they followed Jesus.

John knew what his purpose was and taught his disciples this (John 3:27-36)...'He must increase, but I must decrease' [John 3:30]


Hope this helps,

Marques

Kat:

John knew He was "preparing the way" for the Messiah, though he did not know at first that Jesus was the one.

Mat 3:11  I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Jesus said there was no one born of a woman that was greater than John. It should not seem unusual that he had a following, as he had a very powerful message and many were drawn to him, as the Scripture states;

Mark 1:4  John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
v. 5  Then all the land of Judea, and those from Jerusalem, went out to him and were all baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins.

John was there to "prepare the way for the Lord," (Isa 40:3) he seems to have filled a very special place between the old and the new, as he was the last of the OT prophets and was preparing the way for the Messiah, the new covenant.  And lived to see bare witness of the Messiah as I believe he did realize Christ was the Messiah at the end.

Luke 7:19  And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come or look we for another?
v. 20  When the men had come to Him, they said, "John the Baptist has sent us to You, saying, "Are You the Coming One, or do we look for another?"'
v. 21  And that very hour He cured many of infirmities, afflictions, and evil spirits; and to many blind He gave sight.
v. 22  Jesus answered and said to them, "Go and tell John the things you have seen and heard: that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, the poor have the gospel preached to them.
v. 23  And blessed is he who is not offended because of Me."

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Joel:
We have the FIRST coming of the Lord here.
John the baptist had the Spirit of God working with him from his mothers womb.
He was the the one to announce the first coming of the Lord as prophecy fortold.
Jesus said more than once in the Gospels, that his hour, or time was not yet. John 2:4 John 7:6
Even though Jesus did many miraculous works during his walk then, he didn't fullfill the position that the Jews looking for a messiah wanted Him to. As he is going to bring to pass at His SECOND coming.
Jesus as the SUFFERING servant, was missed by the people of that day, and John that could preach mightily under the anointing of the Holy Spirit was only human as anyone else.
Jesus's own brethren didn't believe in him. John 7:5
Its all of God, everything happened, and everyone did as God willed, as it always will be.
The disciples of John were following their present day Truth, and finally met the TRUTH in the flesh. :)
Joel

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