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The Face of Evil
Livelystone:
Greetings
I thought it best to start a new thread concerning the face of the monster that was "experienced" in the "23 minutes in hell" rather than risk hijacking that thread.
I have seen this same face but before I go into that I would like point out the similarities between this monstrous face and the ones you see in a lot oriental artwork & pottery like it is portrayed on the face of their construction projects or on vases etc..... I think you all know the type of faces I am speaking of, so horrible that the normal mind has to wonder where in the world did the "artist" ever come up with something so hideous as you see within these "faces of evil"
Years before 2001 I had been for decades walked contrary to "being saved" that had taken place in the early sixties while being raised in a strict fundamental "Christian upbringing". I was "contrary" to the point of becoming heavily involved in a significant criminal enterprise that transported large amounts of marijuana from points "A" to points "B". During some of those same years I spent some personal time involved in the martial arts where I learned how to mediate and go quite deep into the subconscious mind.
So here I was every day rubbing shoulders (or going up against) some of the most evil and ruthless criminals as well as corrupted "officials" found anywhere in the world yet at the same time keeping a certain respect of "Father and Son" that I had been taught as a youth. However at the same time I did not worship any "god" in any way anything other than my own "desires of the flesh" or my own "idols" so to speak.
Back to "meditating"
There is a certain method of "open eye" meditation that involves the use of mirrors and sometimes with candles that will allow one to see deep within themselves IF THEY ARE ALREADY PRACTICED IN ADVANCED MEDITATION!
This type of meditation comes with many cautions to the perspective individual to be very sure of yourself before trying this......... a high percentage of first timers never return to the world that they knew before trying it.
Of course I chose to ignore the warnings because simply put I was not afraid any man and every day of my life I tempted fate thinking I was invincible not knowing that even in my sinful ways I was being looked after and well covered from harm by a Father who I refused to acknowledge.
The first time I tried this everything was going along just fine as I entered into a world not attached to the world that everyone else knows when suddenly and in the mirror there was a face that scared the living daylights out of me...... and this took place at a time when my reputation was that there was nothing that could scare me. I came out of the position that I used while meditating and literally leaped off of the ground so fast that it was if a cattle prod had been stuck up inside of me and then energized.
Even though it scared me like nothing else ever could I had to try it again and a couple of days later I did so that resulted in the exact same evil face appearing in the mirror that by this time I knew was LIVING WITHIN ME......... bummer!
For many years I kept that to myself...... after all as a criminal I considered myself as one who had level of standards much higher than everyone around me did and if anyone was evil it was always the other person and not me. Knowing more now than I did back then I know that this face or evil thing exist in us all and is spoken of in the Bible. However normally it is only seen when it is expressed in artwork by cultures who often enter into the subconscious world where spiritual things take on appearances that can be visualized in a way that a normal conscious mind can never see.
Other than the oriental faces that I described at the beginning of this post the "monster picture" presented in the "23 minutes in hell" thread is the only time that I have seen this face outside of my two journeys that I just shared with you.
Hopefully some of you might find this interesting as well as provoke some edifying posts
Blessings
Doug
Kat:
Hi Doug,
Yes that was interesting indeed. Welcome to the forum :)
I guess I can see how if you must put a physical face on the beast within you would come up with something like that. The carnal flesh beast that lives within us all, if we could see it would appear to be the most despicable image. We struggle to not let the beast that we normally do not see the image of, but see the actions of come forth. It is only with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that we can ever come to a point where sin/beast will not have dominion/rule over us.
Rom 6:12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
v. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
v. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---Other than the oriental faces that I described at the beginning of this post
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I'm sure you meant ornamental and not oriental.
GinaMilan:
Hi Doug,
It's interesting you should talk about a mirror; I pretty much said what you're saying here:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11891.msg102963.html#msg102963
Ray wrote: "Bill Wiese says the grotesque monster pictured above is exactly like one he saw in his recent visit to hell."
In other words, hell is Mr. Wiese's bathroom mirror, psychologically speaking of course.
What a coinkydink.
Gina
Livelystone:
--- Quote from: Kat on July 01, 2010, 09:12:26 AM ---
Hi Doug,
Yes that was interesting indeed. Welcome to the forum :)
I guess I can see how if you must put a physical face on the beast within you would come up with something like that. The carnal flesh beast that lives within us all, if we could see it would appear to be the most despicable image. We struggle to not let the beast that we normally do not see the image of, but see the actions of come forth. It is only with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that we can ever come to a point where sin/beast will not have dominion/rule over us.
Rom 6:12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
v. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
v. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Amen Kat.......... and thank you for the welcome.
I agree with you and in this instance especially so with the quote of "sin shall not have dominion over you(us)"
I see that "face of the monster" as the "law of sin" within me spoken of by Paul in the following scripture that lives within our flesh warring against the Holy Spirit given unto us ........ the battle between two nouns within us that both produce verbs in their own image that are then seen and heard by those around us by our actions and words.
Romans 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
--- Quote ---I'm sure you meant ornamental and not oriental.
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Hmmm....... My Bad, thanks for the correction
I suppose that some of the faces found on totem poles or other artifacts representing different beliefs of many different ethnic backgrounds could also be used as an example........ certainly I do not mean to point a discriminating finger at any race.
--- Quote ---Hi Doug,
It's interesting you should talk about a mirror; I pretty much said what you're saying here:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11891.msg102963.html#msg102963
Ray wrote: "Bill Wiese says the grotesque monster pictured above is exactly like one he saw in his recent visit to hell."
In other words, hell is Mr. Wiese's bathroom mirror, psychologically speaking of course.
What a coinkydink.
Gina
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Hello to you too Gina
For sure a mirror can only reflect an image of something that already exists.
Is "original sin" an accepted doctrine here as something we inherited from our natural fathers?..... I hope so.
For how this evil face first got in me I think back to when Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. That particular fruit was in its design just like the pomegranate seen on the high priests robes......... In other words the fruit that they ate from tree of eveil and good knowledge was very seedy fruit so consequently Adam and Eve consumed seeds of evil and good that besides following after the law of the seed that each seed brings forth in its own image, both of these seeds were then passed down to us who in our natural state may produce both good and evil........ just like Adam and Eve produced both Cain and Abel.
What I saw in the mirror was face of evil that unfortunately was a very well nurtured seed in me. Not that I did not have any fruit from the "good seed", but in me it was just was like it was between Cain and Abel with Cain being the stronger of the two. Thus for many years ruled my life that was contrary to a life that would be pleasing to God.....
However at His appointed time and through much tribulation over many years I found out that He could at His desire get me to "change my will" to "His will be done".
Fortunately and by the grace and mercy of the one who died for me........ I now have a much better seed in me that I yield to.
Blessings
Doug
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