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michael the archangel
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: dre91 on August 17, 2010, 07:02:02 PM ---is ray saying that jesus and michael are the same?
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Dre,
I asked Ray this same question, face to face, at the conference last year. He simply said: 'I don't know...could be or maybe not'. From studying the scriptures I know there is not a lot to go on with this subject and I'll always take with me from this conversation that Ray simply told the truth: He didn't know. I respect that much more than anyone attempting to force one answer over another.
That's the last I have heard from him on this subject, he may have a difference opinion if you wish to email him. I may ask again this Saturday, but only if any new people have finished their questions.
Samson,
The body of Moses in Jude is not Moses's physical body. This is speaking of the believers in the law of Moses, the Old Covenant. The same way believers today, under the New Covenant, are said to be the body of Christ.
Paul states 'our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea...' [1 Cor 10:1-2]. The children of Israel who God delivered out of bondage were 'baptized into Moses', under the Old Covenant. They are the body as Moses is the head, figuratively speaking.
Hope this helps,
Marques
P.S. As far as the Jesus=Michael question: I don't know either. I know of a few scriptures that seem to support both sides. Either way makes no difference to me...if God was adamant about it, He would have been very clear.
Samson:
Marques,
Thanks for the correction, my mistake.
Thanks, Samson.
judith collier:
Aatos, here with you friend!
Stacey:
LTV Jude 1:9 But Michael the archangel, when contending with the Devil, he argued about the body of Moses; he dared not bring a judgment of blasphemy, but said, "Let the Lord rebuke you!"
Maybe I'm not reading this right even reading it from several different versions, they all are close to this one but, it seems to me that Michael is signifying that he is not the Lord but the Lord rebuke the Devil. By not doing the rebuking himself it looks that way to me. I probably just have it twisted up.
KJV Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offense unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Here the Lord did the rebuking.
KJV Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve
Again the Lord rebukes Satan not pointing to someone else but doing the rebuking Himself.
Deborah-Leigh:
The Lord is the Power of Michael, His Archangel, just as The Father is the Spirit of Christ.
Arc
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