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soberxp:
kjv:But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
niv:but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it.

I didn't get it,because Romans - 9:31 said they followed after the law of righteousness
(it must be include：
1.perform the law of righteousness,
2.and such as in Romans  2:13 - .......it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. )


Romans - 罗马书 2:13
kjv:(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
niv:For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

longhorn:
The little picture of Pinocchio's girlfriend threw me off for a second.

Longhorn

Dave in Tenn:
These are very profound verses.  I'm going to add some 'parenthetical' comments to help with the English.  Somebody else is going to have to help with the Spiritual understanding and application.

Rom 9:30-33  What shall we say then?  (understanding what was just said in the previous verses, we reach the conclusion) That the Gentiles, which did not follow after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.  But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.

Wherefore? (why not?) Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

The Old Covenant under the Law stressed Israel's obedience to all the Law.  They TRIED (when they actually did try) to obey the Law, but they did not know that the Law was Spiritual and that obeying it required obedience in Spirit with a new Heart.  They failed to 'attain to righteousness' because they relied on their own performance (ritual, the letter of the law, etc).  The Gentiles had no such experience of TRYING with old hearts to obey the Laws God gave the Jews.  They've 'attained to righteousness' by faith, been given that new Heart, understand that the law and obedience to the law is Spiritual.

Jesus is the Stumbling Stone of the Jews (and all who seek to be under the Old Covenant.  Though you'd never get them to admit it, EVERY church seeks to be-- and place its members-- under the Old Covenant).  Whosoever believeth on Him shall not be ashamed.

There is far more to this teaching than that, but at least I hope this helped you get a better English understanding.  

 

soberxp:
I understand now,much better,THX.understand that the law and obedience to the law is Spiritual.
can I say this?
yet we didn't do anything against the law,but if our mind is the scene of crime,that's still not obedience to the law,right? (cuz the inception of law is Spiritual).

soberxp:

--- Quote from: longhorn on September 01, 2010, 12:09:05 PM ---The little picture of Pinocchio's girlfriend threw me off for a second.

Longhorn

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