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Deborah-Leigh:
Rom 2:13  It is not those that merely hear the Law read who are righteous in the sight of God, but it is those that obey the Law who will be pronounced righteous.
Rom 9:30  To what conclusion does this bring us? Why, that the Gentiles, who were not in pursuit of righteousness, have overtaken it--a righteousness, however, which arises from faith;
Rom 9:31  while the descendants of Israel, who were in pursuit of a Law that could give righteousness, have not arrived at one.
Rom 9:32  And why? Because they were pursuing a righteousness which should arise not from faith, but from what they regarded as merit. They stuck their foot against the stone which lay in their way

Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 5:4  Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Arc

soberxp:

--- Quote from: Arcturus on September 01, 2010, 02:01:11 PM ---Rom 2:13  It is not those that merely hear the Law read who are righteous in the sight of God, but it is those that obey the Law who will be pronounced righteous.
Rom 9:30  To what conclusion does this bring us? Why, that the Gentiles, who were not in pursuit of righteousness, have overtaken it--a righteousness, however, which arises from faith;
Rom 9:31  while the descendants of Israel, who were in pursuit of a Law that could give righteousness, have not arrived at one.
Rom 9:32  And why? Because they were pursuing a righteousness which should arise not from faith, but from what they regarded as merit. They stuck their foot against the stone which lay in their way

Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 5:4  Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Arc

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THX.



take me to your heart

Michael Learns To Rock

Hiding from the rain and snow
Trying to forget but I won't let go
Looking at a crowded street
Listening to my own heart beat
So many people all around the world
Tell me where do I find someone like you girl
Take me to your heart take me to your soul
Give me your hand before I'm old
Show me what love is - haven't got a clue
Show me that wonders can be true
They say nothing lasts forever
We're only here today
Love is now or never
Bring me far away
Take me to your heart take me to your soul
Give me your hand and hold me
Show me what love is - be my guiding star
It's easy take me to your heart
Standing on a mountain high
Looking at the moon through a clear blue sky
I should go and see some friends
But they don't really comprehend
Don't need too much talking without saying anything
All I need is someone who makes me wanna sing(I always listening it as SIN?)
Take me to your heart take me to your soul
Give me your hand before I'm old
Show me what love is - haven't got a clue
Show me that wonders can be true
They say nothing lasts forever
We're only here today
Love is now or never
Bring me far away
Take me to your heart take me to your soul
Give me your hand and hold me
Show me what love is - be my guiding star
It's easy take me to your heart
Take me to your heart take me to your soul
Give me your hand and hold me
Show me what love is - be my guiding star
It's easy take me to your heart

Dave in Tenn:

--- Quote from: soberxp on September 01, 2010, 01:37:56 PM ---I understand now,much better,THX.understand that the law and obedience to the law is Spiritual.
can I say this?
yet we didn't do anything against the law,but if our mind is the scene of crime[,that's still not obedience to the law,right? (cuz the inception of law is Spiritual
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I think that's right.  Of course, we have human, fallible judges who 'rule' the natural world we live in, and we are also subject to them.  Most importantly, we have a New Covenant with God.  And the judge in this Covenant is Spiritual and knows our hearts.   

Kat:

Hi Soberxp,

Jesus goes into detail to explain how to keep the new covenant, which is the spirit of the law.

Mat 5:21  "You have heard that it was said to those of old, "You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.'
v. 22  But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment.

Mat 5:27  "You have heard that it was said to those of old, "You shall not commit adultery.'
v. 28  But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Mat 5:33  "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, "You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.'
v. 34  But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God's throne;
v. 35  nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
v. 36  Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black.
v. 37  But let your "Yes' be "Yes,' and your "No,' "No.' For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.

Mat 5:38  "You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.'
v. 39  But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
v. 40  If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also.
v. 41  And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two.
v. 42  Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

Mat 5:43  "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
v. 44  But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
v. 45  that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

soberxp:

--- Quote from: Kat on September 01, 2010, 03:08:35 PM ---
Hi Soberxp,

Mat 5:
v. 28  But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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seems the hardest thing to me.

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