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phillip78:
I agree Arion. I will add this. James 2:20 faith without works is dead

Shawn Fainn:
2 Timothy 4:2

Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction.

Romans 15:5-6
 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Deborah-Leigh:

I appreciate your post Shawn.  8)

Arion I neither contend with Craig, phillip78, you or the Scriptures.  :)

Regarding doing the best you can not being scriptural, I rest my view in the following Scripture and not as contention, competition or combat. It is just where I am coming from in my view of what I posted that I see is not seen to be edifying but is seen in contention.  :(

Rom 8:6  For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 8)

You ask :  since doing the best that you can is not scriptural then should we live as pigs paying no attention to the common sense things such as exercise, diet and doing the things that we can do?
 
Reply : No as this is not what is meant by being spiritually minded is life and peace. Rom 8:6
If you have peace in exercise, diet and eating turnips, then be fully persuaded. Far be it, and God forbid I cause you to stumble. I mean no offence. :)

The things that you, think do and say, are all caused by and of God. Far be it for me to contend with or against you and God.

God is the influence on the mind causing billions of minds to do and prefer what they do and prefer.

You say : I see a bit of a tendency that since all things are preordained and that there is nothing we can do to change what God knows must be, then why even try to change anything?

That is a sumptuous question deserving of the beautiful edifications that I know can be more tenderly brought to your attention. 8)

If God causes you to try then try you will. If God causes you to succeed or fail, then succeed or fail you will. God is the cause of all of our desires and the accomplishment is in the Power of the Spirit of God to whom rests all outcomes for He knows the beginning from the end. God doesn’t change. We have to! We all have to and God is working on exactly that ~ changing us into His Image.

Suffice to say, I believe that there is nothing we can do to change anything. I believe that Jesus Himself said He could do nothing of Himself and He said it , believed it and practiced it, and it was all due to the Spirit of God in Him that controlled Him and not as a robot either but as being one with the Spirit of His Father.

You say : It all revolves around God as He is at the center and our faith and trust must be in him and him alone....not in what we can do.  But I still think we have to do what we can do and then leave the results up to him.  I hope this makes sense.

That “but” word is a real killer. :) It wipes out everything you so beautifully acknowledged before… the BUT word! Your thinking that you have to do what you think you can do, is caused by God and even thinking that you leave the results up to God, is a thought caused by God bringing into manifestation the condition of your heart that says to and of God, it is His job is to determine the results you leave up to Him after you have done the best you can.  I just see that comment as a bit demeaning of our God who is before and after, the Alpha and the Omega.

No offense meant. :) as for iron...I am not an iron lady.... ;) :)...

Arc

Kat:

Hi Arion,

I understand where you are coming from, it's pretty much my way of thinking.

God has given us this life experience to learn good and evil. God is certainly in control of everything that we experience, but does He need to learn from what we are doing or is for OUR learning? We learn from what we do (good or evil), even though it is caused. I do NOT believe it has nothing to do with ourselves, I believe it has everything to do with ourself, as God is doing all this for our benefit. Now I know we are not in control and have no good in and of ourself, God is using the physical things we are doing to teach us how to know good from evil. Of course it's all of God, because He is teaching us these things. So as a parent would you teach your child it matters not what they eat? We need to learn to be balanced in all things.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

arion:
Arc,

Very beautifully put it's just that I think your misunderstanding what I'm trying to say...and that's o.k.  When I say that I do the best that I can it's with the full understanding that it is God who works in us to will and to do of his good pleasure.  Jesus did nothing of himself and neither can we.   Whatever I do whether it's in the area of taking care of the body, living my life day in and day out, coming to this forum or reading the scriptures it's because that is what God is causing me to do through his myriad of ways.  My whole comment of doing the best that I can is with the knowledge that God is the ultimate cause behind all that I do but I still have to walk out this life that I have been given step by step.  If you will, I still have to work out my own salvation with fear and trembling...nobody is going to to do that for me.  God bless and have a great day!!

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