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grapehound:
Amen John

judith collier:
Spontaneous remissions are interesting. And they do happen. I don't like to take my medicine and sometimes I worry about the effects it is having on my body. Don't laugh but i pray to God that he bless my medicine and sometimes I have taken more of something, forgetting I had already taken some but then I just pray again and believe God will protect me from my stupid self. I wouldn't take any of it but I do know I am more comfortable with it but all in all l really don't put that much stock in it.

Joel:
Never the less, it all goes back to FAITH, how many today would humble themselves and wash in the Jordan river seven times?

Joel

Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Arion

I was just paying attention to the words when reading your report.... :)


--- Quote from: Arion on September 20, 2010, 01:45:59 PM --- take care of yourself the best that you can......

--- End quote ---

.....is not Scriptural.... :D :) Oh that we will take care of ourselves, sure, we will take very good care of ourselves, often to the exclusion of dependence on God, or in the knowledge of the Sovereignty of God, is the Plan of God!

Php 4:6  Be anxious for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.

What you say that all is of God, is spot on! :)

Arc

arion:
Iron sharpens iron Arc.   ;D

I had said; 'take care of yourself the best that you can......' and you came back with '.....is not Scriptural...'

I understand and concur with what Craig said in his first posting '

If God directs anyone to try supplements and diets then do it, He may use these things to help the body fight and be cured or to prolong a persons life, but using a supplement or diet and taking God out of the equation will never work, because God is the equation'

Now then, I'm not saying this in a contentious tone of voice and I add that because it's hard to tell on the internet.  My question would then be since doing the best that you can is not scriptural then should we live as pigs paying no attention to the common sense things such as exercise, diet and doing the things that we can do?   ;D

At some point I would love to see a thread or teaching of fatalism and how that mind set can influence us either for good or bad.  All is of God and that is how I started out my first posting on the thread.  Yet, (I'll make this personal and point the finger at myself and nobody else) I see a bit of a tendency that since all things are preordained and that there is nothing we can do to change what God knows must be, then why even try to change anything?  If I'm sickly, weak or beset with a certain sin, stuck in a certain situation (or anything that is common to the human condition) since this is where God wants me at this point then why even do the things that I can do to change the situation?

The best that I can come up with is since I don't know exactly how God will handle a certain situation I still do what I can and then leave the results to him.  And I think this is what Craig was saying in my quoted portion from his posting.  I really fight being fatalistic at times and maybe this is just something that God is dealing with me on and not something that anyone else has to work out in their own lives.  If for example since this discussion originated on Ray's situation and if Ray felt like that then he wouldn't even of tried to do anything about his cancer.  It all revolves around God as He is at the center and our faith and trust must be in him and him alone....not in what we can do.  But I still think we have to do what we can do and then leave the results up to him.  I hope this makes sense.

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