Hi Carol,
Sampson I am not sure why you chose the word messanger and pastor. It sounds like you mean a clerical person is a messanger. Grin (Beloved's Question to Samson)
Sorry for a late response to Your question. I worked 12 Hours Thursday & Friday, plus ruined the small refrigerator at work by attempting to Defrost it, it had 2 1/2 buckets of built up ice and was probably on it's way out, so I wasn't in a decent Emotional and Mental disposition for answering anything.
Firstly, I concede that the word "Pastor"(Shepherd) applies to the Great & Fine Shepherd, Christ Jesus; Heb. 13:20; John. 10:11; Matt. 9:36. In regards to the Greek Word "Aggelos." personally I don't usually use the term "Pastor" in reference to that word. Actually, it was from Ray's information that I expressed that understanding. Since Wisdom "seemed" to equate the Angels from Jude, 2Peter & Rev 12 as Bad Angel Spiritual Beings synonymous with "Demons," I was attempting to show that the Angels mentioned in those passages were Human Messengers that bring Blasphemous and Heretical teachings. This is typified by Christendoms Ministers(Pastors) who deliver a false message, so they are Messengers of false teachings, knowingly or unknowingly. The word Shepherd comes from the Greek Word " Poimen," used Metaphorically as "Pastors," but Shepherd is the exact meaning; Acts. 20:28; Acts. 20:17. This is a service committed to Elders(GK-Presbyteroi, derived from Presbyteros) and Overseers(Gk-Episkopoi derived from Episkopos, often translated "Bishop"). Before I Post some excerpts of Rays from The Critique of 23 Minutes in Hell regarding His use of "Pastor," I will define a few meanings in the next paragraph regarding Overseer, Elder(older Men) first.
1) Overseer: From the Greek word Episkopos means " one who watches over; guardian, scout." Episkope- means inspection or Office of Oversight(Luke. 19:44; 1Peter. 2:12). From a Greek Lexicon By Liddell & Scott, Ninth Edition, 1968, pg. 657. The Verb forms Episkopeo & Episkeptomai mean " to look upon, to consider, have regard to something or someone, used as visit to sick friends. From G. Kittel's Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, pp. 600-602, 606.
2) Elder(Older Men): Presbyteroi, Presbyteros. Episkopos(Overseer) describes the fundamental responsibility this position entails, whereas Presbyteros indicates the maturity of those described. So Presbyteros indicates the mature qualities of the one appointed and Episkopos, the duties inherent with the appointment.
Excerpt's from Ray(23 Minutes in Hell Critique regarding use of the word "Pastor" & "Messenger" in blue Color for Your convenience).
MESSENGERS: Only once in Scripture do we read of "a messenger of Satan" (II Cor. 12:7). Messenger is here translated from Dr. Strong's #32 'angelos' which means: "a messenger, especially an angel, a pastor." Some Versions translate II Cor. 12:7 as "an angel of Satan" (Moffatt Translation); "an angel of Satan" (Emphatic Diaglott); "one of Satan's angels" (Phillip's Modern English New Testament). The Greek word 'angelos' has three meanings: "angel, messenger, and pastor." "Demon" is NOT a definition of angelos!
Of the hundreds and hundreds of different translations of the Scriptures, I know of none that translated the word "angelos" as "demon." And so we have conclusive proof from the Scriptures "the Devil's angels" are mortal men. The false prophet of Acts 13:6; the Pharisees whom Jesus called "children of the Wicked one" in Matt. 13:38; those Pharisees whom Jesus said had the Devil for their father in John 8:44; Satan's "ministers of righteousness" in II Cor. 11:14-15); are all human, mortal men, not spirits--despicable, disgusting, dirty, demons!
Now then, how many of my readers believe that Bill's demon pictured above, or the group of demons pictured above are "pastors" or "ministers of the gospel?" Probably none of you. An "angelos' is an "angel," a "messenger," or a "pastor." So now let's answer the question: Do the angels/messengers/pastors of the Devil look like, [1] evil, ugly, animalistic, spirit demons with Zero IQ's? or [2] non-descript, invisible spirits, or [3] pleasant-looking, mortal, humans? Nowhere in Scriptures do we ever find a description of demons as Bill presents in his book. Such creatures are fraudulent deceptions of carnal-minded deceivers.
Notice the word PASTOR mentioned in Paragraphs 1 & 3. Ray equates Christendoms Ministers as "PASTORS," A "MESSENGER." (CAPS ARE MINE FOR EMPHASIS).
Below some more excerpts from Ray showing the distinction between Angels & Demons.
You won't find the word "demon" in the King James Version. The Greek word translated "devils" in the King James is, daimon, and means "a demon or super natural spirit of a bad nature," Strong's Greek Dictionary). "Devils" should be translated "demons" seeing that there is only one Devil--Satan (Rev. 12:9).
Demons can think and they can speak with human voices, as witnessed by those cast out by Jesus and the apostles. There alone is proof that Bill's assertion that demons have "zero IQ" is a fabricated crock. No one has ever seen a real demon as they are spirit, and they are not visible. We are never told that we might on occasion entertain "demons unaware," as we might entertain angels (Heb. 3:2).
"Angels," however, can be either visible or invisible, and are often called "men." Sometimes they seem to be manifested as physical men (Acts 10:3 & 30 and Luke 24:4), but in reality they are actually spirit beings. Mortal men when used of God are called angels or messengers which, like all men, are destined to die. However, spirit angels in Heaven can never die:
Therefore, "angels" can be [1] immortal spirits from God in Heaven, (as with the angel that was first invisible to Balaam, but then later was made visible, Num. 22:31), or [2] if needed, they can manifest themselves to appear as normal humans, but with a radiance that shows they are supernatural beings which are only taking on human form (See Judges 13:6), or [3] they can so perfectly make themselves visible and in human form so that anyone would be unaware that they are really angels from Heaven (See Heb. 13:2 above).
When mortal men are used in the capacity of an agent/messenger for God or any other authority. they are usually called in Hebrew, malak, translated "angel" 100+ times. All references to "angels" in the Old Testament are from the Hebrew #4397, 'malak'--whose definition is "a messenger (especially of God), that is, an angel (also, a prophet, priest or teacher): ambassador, angel, king, messenger" (Strong's Hebrew Dictionary).
"Malaks" can be invisible spirit angels, spirit angels manifested to appear as radiant, glowing men, spirit angels made to look like perfectly normal men with no supernatural radiance, or mortal men themselves are called "malak" when used in the capacity of a messenger.
Context usually dictates whether a "malak" is a spirit or a mortal man. When it appears that a spirit being sent from God is in view, malak is almost always translated "angel." However, when a mortal man is being used to convey a message from either God or a person of rank, malak is usually translated "messenger."
One exception is Malachi 3:1 where malak is translated, "My messenger..." with a lower case "m," while the second time we have, "...the Messenger of the covenant in Whom..." "Messenger" has a capital "M," and "Whom" has a capital "W," which might suggest that this Messenger is Jesus.
Carol, I hope this answers Your question and the above excerpts are meant for Forum Member Wisdom, too.
Kind Regards, Samson