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moving on into the profit subject. shortly.
acomplishedartis:
I would just like to take a little bit to light, how big the idol of sordid gain-profit is on these present predominating societies.
Beyond rational living expenses. The wish for sordid personal advantage is enormous among citizens. There are Millions, Billions isolated people, locked in relations only where profit is in between. Also even on the internet there is millions, billions of websites that for the way they work, they are mostly about profit.
A forum and a page like this one is different, what bring us together is not even one little wish for profit. If we can have relations that are bounded on something that is spiritually great, then we must be very thankful!
I believe that only until this internet age, there is way more possibilities for bigger groups of spiritual like minders to be together once again.
Does anyone else feel this way?
longhorn:
Well said my brother. May God continue to open our Spritual Eyes and Ears as we Live by ( using the full Armor of God) Every word ( Spriitually ) that proceeds from the mouth of God. Not only must we read and hear ( by grace only ) but we must also keep ( live out ) every word. For ALL THINGS ARE OUR'S 1 Cor 3: 21-22. For the time IS AT HAND ( Rev 1:3 )
Longhorn
Samson:
--- Quote from: Moises on December 13, 2010, 06:35:54 PM ---
I would just like to take a little bit to light, how big the idol of sordid gain-profit is on these present predominating society.
Beyond rational living expenses. The wish for sordid personal advantage is enormous among citizens. There are Millions, Billions isolated people, locked in relations only where profit is in between. Also even on the internet there is millions, billions of websites that for the way they work, they are mostly about profit.
A forum and a page like this one is different, what bring us together is not even one little wish for profit. If we can have relations that are bounded on something that is spiritually great, then we most be very thankful!
I believe that only until this internet age, there is way more possibilities for bigger groups of spiritual like minders to be together once again.
Does anyone else feel this way?
--- End quote ---
Yes, My Brother Moises,
The Love of Money is the root of All Evil(injurious things) and because of this Love, many have stabbed themselves with many pains and hurtful desires(1 Tim. 6:9,10). I'm thankful that We have a place of Spiritual retreat, so to speak, to discuss Ray's Teachings, Fellowship, build one another up, share Life's experiences(primarily the Spiritual ones), occasionally have Phone conversations with Forum Members, as I do and even occasionally have the opportunity to meet and have informal Bible Discussions.
You mention these factual points: the idol of sordid gain-profit is on these present predominating society. Beyond rational living expenses. The wish for sordid personal advantage is enormous among citizens.
Yes the above Two Points are the reality of American Society and for those that don't have the financial means at the present time, they have that DESIRE. Those that are spiritually minded through God's spirit are influenced by 1Tim. 6:7,8( We brought nothing into this world, so be content with food and clothing-paraphrased) and this Scripture is the reality too, just like the above.
Thanks for Posting this Thread, Samson.
acomplishedartis:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on December 13, 2010, 11:42:48 PM ---This topic can easily lead to self righteous or over righteous thoughts and concepts. God's poor and how being poor is favorable to God is a favorite subject of many false religious teachers.
If I buy something for $1 and sell it for $2 (to a willing buyer), then I have made a 100% profit of $1. If I do this a billion times, then I am a billionaire. How is this a sin? Where in the scriptures does it teach that being rich, of and by itself, is a sin? Poor people cannot give material things to others because they are poor! Why is it a good thing to be poor?
The Father is filthy rich. Jesus said that He (Jesus) works because His Father works. By working hard and saving, you can become wealthy (if the Father wills it) like the Father. There is nothing righteous about being poor. Or fat, dumb, ugly, and ignorant for that matter.
What really got Jesus angry, what really ticked Him off, were self righteous, hypocritical, proud, false religious teachers who thought that they represented God. Not making a profit.
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Also, it could not.
I would not correct anything you said.
I just hope that nobody might think that I want to lead this post into support any over righteous thoughts and concepts or that I agree with the other topics that you talked against.
Now. Moving again into the profit subject as an idol.
This is for sure:
That when we are waiting and wishing to be economical excessively rich (no matter for what), we have been made week enough to fall
into the temptation of avarice, to take us to the point that money (with all the power that it has on this place) is the only thing that we
are really looking for, taking us to more sick desires and deceptions. This desire for what we can come to consider being economical
richness is something that ''poor'' and ''rich'' share. It doesn't really have to do too much with material possessions; it is the mental state
for richness.
And it is obvious that so many avarice and corruption in our actual society and in our selves have to do with money and its love for it.
Either way it is all part of a necessary process and this process have a great purpose.
I guess it is all about our motivations and ''The only way that we will ever have enough is considering it like that - right now'' Is to be grateful with what we already have and with what God has already showed to us.
servias:
Many good things have come from the inspiration of Profit. Like , medicine, food production, living conditions...God's will, his plan. Obviously some profit is immoral like porn, etc. But still this is God's creation - HIS. What we ultimately learn from all forms of profit is on purpose for a purpose. We all are pieces to this puzzle that God created. If its a sin to have more than we need than we are all guilty....we all have computers, electricity, etc. None of which are necessities. I have been struggling with this very topic until recently. I have concluded that all is of Jesus and we cannot change what is. We can only embrace him and he will lead us in our life.
Dan
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