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moving on into the profit subject. shortly.
Deborah-Leigh:
It is excellent to see the truth of the fact that most relationships in this wicked age, have profit, not prophet, as the adhesive in the relationships of carnal man. It is the design of God for humanity to experience the destitute realms of spiritual poverty.
Indeed we seek His Kingdom that has no schism, division or rejection of any of the all embodying Truth of God in all. His Kingdom is within!
The condition of spiritual strong delusion, in America, is a phenomenon that God elects for us all to endure, experience and suffer. No matter what the physical manifestation of wealth is externally, internally the Truth of God prevails ~ as first the natural then the spiritual ~ is an order of God, designed for everyone, not just Americans!
To have a heart and mind that is Christ’s, is the real wealth, not of this world, but of His Kingdom.
What the Lord is putting in our hearts to desire, is Godly contentment in this world and wicked age we all live in. 1Ti 6:6 Of course, godliness with contentment does bring a great profit. :D :)
We, are of ourselves, are unable to accomplish anything good. Once we have been blessed to repent, then God begins His process of conforming our minds and hearts to His Mind and Heart, Ways, Thoughts and Purposes. The Goodness of God, to do just that, we can rely on! 8)
Blessings dear brothers
Arc
acomplishedartis:
--- Quote from: DanTheMan on December 14, 2010, 11:19:41 PM ---Many good things have come from the inspiration of Profit. Like , medicine, food production, living conditions...God's will, his plan. Obviously some profit is immoral like porn, etc.
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Yes they have. This post is not talking about Profit alone, but 'sordid profit as an idol'. You bring three examples where it can be moral and inmoral profit in between. If we start to generalize examples with out enough context and specification we indeed will lead into over righteous thoughts.
On inmoral profit, I would add Christendom on the top of the list, or bring it along with your example and call it spiritual pornography.
--- Quote from: DanTheMan on December 14, 2010, 11:19:41 PM --- But still this is God's creation - HIS. What we ultimately learn from all forms of profit is on purpose for a purpose. We all are pieces to this puzzle that God created.
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Yes it is all part of God's world!
--- Quote from: DanTheMan on December 14, 2010, 11:19:41 PM --- If its a sin to have more than we need than we are all guilty....we all have computers, electricity, etc. None of which are necessities. I have been struggling with this very topic until recently.
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The think is that to really know what we really need is not as easy as we think. What we can tent to think to be our necessities could be wrong.
There is too many conditions and geographical circumstances that influence our economy, our work and our profit.
we can do the best with what life has bring us, and try to be content.
Regarding (1) Computers and (2)electricity and (3) ect...?? You could easily start to generalize examples with out enough context and specifications again. And it is understandable, We love to generalize! Because we feel overwhelmed to have to research each subject by our selves, and take the time to assimilate each subject as best as we know that we can. (of course this takes much time and I guess is part of the process of maturing)
Inside of our basic necessities there is need for communication, I have seen a few on the history of computers, the main ideology behind its creation is hard structuralism, witch contradicts free-will. I would tell more, but I don't want to move from the main subject. Also to ask our selves, WHAT, WHY, WHERE, and HOW helps. (I remember there is emails where Ray respond subjects of this kind; where people ask if it's okay to have a house) Anyway, the point is that if you don't feel comfortable with computers or electricity (or whatever you mean by 'etc.'), I encourage you to make your own researchs, and judge the issues your self. So that you can use your computer with clean conscious and conviction. (and the same for the etc. subjects you had in mind)
--- Quote from: DanTheMan on December 14, 2010, 11:19:41 PM --- I have concluded that all is of Jesus and we cannot change what is. We can only embrace him and he will lead us in our life.
Dan
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I guess, we all are in agreement!
acomplishedartis:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on December 15, 2010, 01:45:58 AM ---It is excellent to see the truth of the fact that most relationships in this wicked age, have profit, not prophet, as the adhesive in the relationships of carnal man. It is the design of God for humanity to experience the destitute realms of spiritual poverty.
Indeed we seek His Kingdom that has no schism, division or rejection of any of the all embodying Truth of God in all. His Kingdom is within!
The condition of spiritual strong delusion, in America, is a phenomenon that God elects for us all to endure, experience and suffer. No matter what the physical manifestation of wealth is externally, internally the Truth of God prevails ~ as first the natural then the spiritual ~ is an order of God, designed for everyone, not just Americans!
To have a heart and mind that is Christ’s, is the real wealth, not of this world, but of His Kingdom.
What the Lord is putting in our hearts to desire, is Godly contentment in this world and wicked age we all live in. 1Ti 6:6 Of course, godliness with contentment does bring a great profit. :D :)
We, are of ourselves, are unable to accomplish anything good. Once we have been blessed to repent, then God begins His process of conforming our minds and hearts to His Mind and Heart, Ways, Thoughts and Purposes. The Goodness of God, to do just that, we can rely on! 8)
Blessings dear brothers
Arc
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Arcturus, thanks for that words
Samson:
Hi To all Posters of this Thread,
I don't believe anyone implied that "Being Materially or Physically Rich" was wrong, I know that I didn't mean that. The point expressed was the DESIRE, in itself, especially to the exclusion of Spiritual Desire and Profit. An Individual could be POOR(Materially) and still have an inordinate desire for Material Riches and pursuits using whatever means to attain this, as an example: Cheating, Lying, stealing, deceiving, etc. These individuals whether Rich or Poor will use whatever means to attain Wealth, due to their Desire as expressed at 1Timothy. 6:6-11. People with an inordinate DESIRE for wealth are not likely to be " content with these things," Another example that emphasizes this DESIRE is that during tough Economic times like these, a person could be well off materially and lose their Job or Station in Life as a result of Economic Causes and not be content with their unfortunate situation and proceed to do whatever needs to be done to elevate themselves back to their previous Economic Stature to the exclusion of everything else. What Profit(no pun intended) or benefit is it, if a Man gains the whole world, but loses His Soul or Life. Matt. 16:26.
Thanks, Samson.
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Samson~ :)
Another way of addressing, "desire", is perhaps to say that, the cravings of the senses, after worldly ostentations of life, are of the world, and that too shall pass.
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
Blessings brother
Arc
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