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Hope of the Resurrection
Samson:
Hi Forum,
I would like to take this opportunity to start a Thread regarding the Hope of the Resurrection. We learn many important Truths from Ray's Teachings and this Forum. Many might say that God's Total Sovereignty or the fact that Man does not possess "Free Will" are at the top of the priority list. Who could argue that, I won't attempt to. Personally, the Hope of eventually receiving a Resurrection from the Dead is of most importance in my view. Without a Resurrection or an eventual hope of receiving one, We would be dead without conscious thought and without existence. So, this Thread will provide Scriptural examples of those who were Resurrected, (of course these individuals eventually died again), incorporate some comments from Ray's Email answers and Articles. Also Scriptures that discuss the Resurrection will be mentioned too. Resurrection comes from the Greek Word Anastasia meaning " to stand up or stand again."
Some Scriptural Examples of those who received Resurrections.
1) Jairus 12 year old Daughter(Luke. 8:41,42,49,50-55) Resurrected By Jesus
2) The Widow of Nain's Son (Luke. 7:11-15) Resurrected By Jesus
3) Lazarus( John. 11:42-44) Resurrected By Jesus
4) Eutychus (Acts. 20:9,10) Resurrected By Paul
5) Dorcas(Tabitha) (Acts. 9:39-42) Resurrected By Peter
6) The Saints mentioned at Matthew. 27:52-54 Resurrected By God the Father
7) The Son of a Shunammite Woman (2Kings. 4:32-36) Resurrected By Elisha
8) Widow of Zarephath's Son (1Kings. 17:18-24) Resurrected By Elijah
9) Jesus (Acts. 2:31-33; Acts. 2:23,24) Resurrected By God the Father
Some Comments Jesus made about the Resurrection !
John. 11:25,26" I am the Resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live." Verse 26 is usually mistranslated as follows: " And whoever lives and believes in Me, shall NEVER die. Do you believe this."(NKJV) From My Greek Interlinear, verse 26 is rendered as follows before the sentence is constructed properly in English: " And Everyone the living and believing into me, not not should die into the Age are believing you this." The Concordant Literal Translation renders this verse properly as follows:26 And everyone who is living and believing in Me, should by no means be dying for the eon. Are you believing this?"
Paul expressed the importance of the Resurrection By saying that His preaching was in Vain and He should be pitied for preaching about anything if there was no hope of ever receiving a Resurrection; 1Cor. 15:12-19. Christ was the first Resurrected from the dead, eventually the Firstfruits(God's Chosen Elect) at His Coming or Return; 1Cor. 15:20-23. God's Chosen Elect or First fruits will receive a spiritual Resurrection with the ability to manifest themselves in the flesh; 1Cor. 15:35-54. Read Email response of Ray below in blue for support.
From 6/28/08 Resurrection: 1. It is agreed that the believer/saint of God will resurrect with spiritual or glorified bodies if this are the same to reign with Christ. Now is Christ reigning physically as a person on this earth?
COMMENT: First, Jesus IS "a person." Who would He reign as a non-person? What is a "non-person?" Christ will reign spiritually, but that spiritual reign has many physical manifestations. Was Jehovah a "physical" God over Israel? It is difficult to even know what you mean by such a phrase. God is not physical, but He can and does interact with physical people. And yes, it will be on this "earth," not on some other world or plant or heavenly realm.
if yes then are the resurrected saint reigning with Him in spiritual bodies while He reign physically? this is confusing. Pls shed more light scripturally.If this lake of fire is spiritual, then I agree that the torment will be for ever. What is your stake on this?.
COMMENT: I'm sorry, but I just don't get that? Do you mean while Christ is "reigning physically with a spiritual body?" or "reigning physically with a physical body?" When Jesus was resurrected "SPIRITUALLY," He still had the power to manifest Himself in several DIFFERENT forms or bodies--the stranger walking with the two men to Emmaus, the gardener, the stranger on the shore, and as His old physical self with holes in His body.
Apparently God's Servants will be able to physically manifest themselves so that they can be SEEN:
Isa 30:20 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall SEE thy teachers:
And on other occasions they will NOT be seen:
Isa 30:21 And thine ears shall HEAR a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
From 7/23/07 Two Resurrections: Dear Angelica:
There are not two resurrection for the same person, but rather two classes of people who are resurrected, and the Elect are said to be in the "first" or "former" resurrection. "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST [or former] resurrection" (Rev. 20:5). Now this is some question as to whether this verse is really Scripture or whether it was added to the manuscript. We still have conformation of two classes of people resurrected from other Scriptures:
"...that there shall be a resurrection of the [1] JUST, and [2] UNJUST" (Acts. 24:15).
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, [1] some to everlasting [eonian] life, and [2] some to shame and everlasting [eonian] contempt" (Dan. 12:2).
"And shall come forth; they that have done good unto [1] the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto [2] the resurrection of damnation" (John 5:29).
Hope this helps your understanding.
God be with you,
Ray
So, as mentioned by Ray in the above Emails, Jesus and The Chosen Elect are raised spiritually, but will be able to manifest themselves in the physical in order to be seen by everyone else(Wicked, unbelievers, etc) that's Resurrected. Ray indicates that everyone else will be resurrected in a physical body that's not Immortal or deathless(Greek-Athanasia). Read excerpts from His article: Physical or Spiritual Resurrection Bodies for wicked & Unbelievers below.
The major prophecy concerning the resurrection is found in Ezek. 37. Here we are shown a valley of “dry bones” which God says represents “the WHOLE House of Israel” -- “And He said unto me, `Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; lo, they are saying: Dried up have our bones, And perished has our hope, We have been cut off by ourselves” (Ezek. 37:11).
So the whole House of Israel dies in a condition of being “perished” with no “hope,” and are “cut off.” But what does God tell Ezekiel He will do for them?
I am prophesying, and lo, a rushing, and draw near do the bones, bone unto its bone."
Eze 37:8 “And I beheld, and lo, on them [are] sinews [tendons, strength, muscular power], and flesh [muscles, fat, etc.] has come up, and cover them does skin [the outer covering of a physical body] over above--and spirit there is none in them."
I know of no “spiritual” tendons, muscles, fat or skin, that are put on physical “bones” to remake a “spiritual” man. This is a PHYSICAL resurrection of the dead, Eze 37:10 “And I have prophesied as He commanded me, and the Spirit comes into them, and they live, and stand on their feet--a very very great force” (Ezek. 37:10).
Notice that it takes the spirit from God to give these dried bones life once more. They then “stand on their feet.” This is the exact and precise definition of the word “resurrection.” It means to “stand up” upon one’s feet, but the word itself has nothing to do with being “spiritual” or “immortal” whatsoever. Jesus raised a little girl and Lazarus from the dead, and they stood up on their feet and lived—they were not made spiritual bodies or given immortality. Likewise those saints resurrected at Christ’s resurrection, were not given spiritual bodies or immortality.
Nowhere are the wicked promised immortality or incorruption, nowhere.
1Co 15:50 “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
Chapter 15 is speaking of the true Elect Saints of God “inheriting the Kingdom of God. Is the act of raising the wicked from the dead and act of their “inheriting the Kingdom of God?” I think not. Will the wicked then “inherit incorruption” at their resurrection? Well many say “YES, yes they will.” NO, no they WON’T! Are men like Mao Tse Tung, Adolph Hitler and Saddam Hussein, who are among the most “corruptible” men who have ever lived, going to be given bodies that are “incorruptible?” Do the Scriptures lie when they tell us that “corruption” (as in the above named persons) does NOT “inherit incorruption?”
Should Mao, Adolph, and Saddam be resurrected to incorruptible and immortal bodies, then death would also be “swallowed up in victory” in THEIR LIVES ALSO. How could they go through the “second DEATH” if “death” would have already been “swallowed up in VICTORY” in their miserable, wicked, vile, and deranged carnal minds? Such people know nothing of “the law of the Spirit of LIFE in Christ Jesus.” They know only of “law of SIN AND DEATH” (Rom. 8:2).
Is there anywhere a Scripture that presents the resurrection of the wicked in such a glorious, and holy, divine light? I think not. Rather we are presented with this as the characterization of the resurrected wicked to eonian judgment:Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting [eonian] life, and some to shame [rebuke, reproach, disgrace] and everlasting [eonian] contempt [repulsion, aversion, abhorrence].
Ray doesn't give any specific details as to how people will live and what kind of living arrangements will take place, so I won't venture into any speculation as to exactly how things will be. Those of the Non Elect Group(Everybody else) will learn righteousness through God's Judgements being taught by God's Elect, Isaiah. 26:9.
If any Forum members would like to contribute to this Thread, expressing their hope of the Resurrection, including Ray's material, Past Threads and Scriptural Witnesses, please proceed to do so.
Kind Regards, Samson.
One Love:
Hey Samson
This is truly the topic of now & the future. I'm sure we're in the judgement era right now!
Mr. Smith exposes, expounds & teaches this in so many different papers, transcripts & emails. I just loved the "Does all mean all?" transcript. I've heared time & again how the TV "saints" preach & teach the literal & most of these "saints" come highly equipped with their Degrees, doctorates & titles, it makes me think of these scientists, who give names to shooting stars & hurricanes, etc. It also amazes me how many people sit under these teachings & receive it as truths. Greatest of all topics!
I just want to say thank you to Mr. Smith & all the people here at bibletruths.com
Cheers!
Pini56:
Hello Samson,
I really love this scripture. It gives me hope and comfort in the midst of this miserable and evil world. Being with the Lord always is what its about for me. Forsaking all else just to walk with him is my sole desire.
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. KJV. 1 Thess. 4:13-18.
Peace To You, Regards Geoff.
Samson:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on December 20, 2010, 11:51:14 PM ---Hi Samson,
One of my favorite scriptures on this subject is Luke 20:38, "For He is not a God of the dead, but of the living:for all live unto Him".
Jesus always cuts to the quick. I take two positive things from this verse. First, death, dying, and all negative things are not in God's fundamental makeup. He is about life and living and the broad, sunlit uplands of life. Second, the verse supports universal salvation, "for all live unto Him". God saves all. Failure is not an option to Him. He brings everyone along for the ride. How can you not love a God whose fundamental component is love? Everyone wins.
John
Excellent Points John, Everyone wins and All are living to Him. God will never fail in His commission to save all(1John. 4:14). On the other hand, Humans need to experience failure and learn from their failures to become successful.
Thanks, Samson.
--- End quote ---
Also thanks for contributions from Geoff & 1Luv too. Samson.
One Love:
Dear Samson
I hope someone can shed some light on this! The "Hope of the resurrection" is great news!
This is such an important topic, basically our next age (eion) depends on this.
Every time I read the teachings on this, I feel something is missing!!!!!!!
We have the FEW (believers, saints, obeyers,.........) and the
MANY (unbelievers, sinners, disobeyers,.................)
This is from Mr. Smith's paper "LOF part iii"
"For EVERY ONE [sinner and saint] shall be salted with FIRE" (Mark 9:49).
This is after ALL be resurrected, right!
Now who are these:
From your original email, "Mr. Smith's reply"
--- Quote ---There are not two resurrection for the same person, but rather two classes of people who are resurrected, and the Elect are said to be in the "first" or "former" resurrection. "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST [or former] resurrection" (Rev. 20:5). Now this is some question as to whether this verse is really Scripture or whether it was added to the manuscript. We still have conformation of two classes of people resurrected from other Scriptures:
--- End quote ---
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