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phillip78:
As I stated they do not have all of the truths that we know of, and the mature should be able to know that. However we all crawl before we are able to walk. As Ninny said "Ok guys...don't be so hard on these guys! God works with each in His time!" I agree!

aqrinc:

We can be like our Master or we can be like the Pharisees. Keep from them (publicans and sinners) because we are not misguided like them, or be willing to hang out and eat with publicans and sinners.

Mat 9:10-13 (UKJV)
10  And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at food in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples. 11  And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eats your Master with publicans and sinners? 12  But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

13  But go all of you and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

george.

Deborah-Leigh:


Hi George,

GREAT is the Hope, we can be like our Master. The Scriptures affirm the Truth you share.  8) Thank you!

Two thousand years of Christendom have sat, waiting on a physical return. Christ is not physical.

Luk 17:20  And when He was demanded of the Pharisees, when the Kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: (physical manifestation)
Luk 17:21  Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! ( because it is not visible to the world) for, behold, the Kingdom of God is within you.  
 
The Spirit gets right between our marrow and bone, to the heart of motives and soul of the hardened sin and causes the melt down of emotional immunity of the sinners world, arrogance and ignorance. An inward return to the Heart of Christ bleeds Mercy and Compassion on the Cross of Integrity upon us first before it turns water to wine and flesh carnality to spiritual life in purity and clean hope within us.

The return of Christ is within.

Christ coming to us L. Ray  Smith.   The heart  made clean shall see God.

Blessings
Arc

grapehound:
Thanks Deborah, profound stuff.

Grape x

mharrell08:
We are all beasts...we are all lost sheep gone astray. It's easy with hindsight to rail on and on about how the church is this or that. God called us out of the same corrupt system just as He will do with everyone, eventually. This is the point Ninny, Philip, & Linny are making that is being overlooked. Too much preaching, not enough listening.

No one here is even defending this church in question. All that was asked was IF this church was headed in the right direction, in your opinions.

Also, because I know SOMEONE will say, 'will Jesus did it, and I'm trying to be like Him'. Do you know that Jesus saved most of His derisive comments to the church LEADERS who KNEW what they were doing was wrong? Look in the very bibles that you are quoting to the members above for yourself. Does anyone believe that the billions of Christians on this earth KNOW that what they are doing/believing is wrong? Did you?

James 1:23-24  For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was.

Look at this verse and think about BEFORE you were a 'doer of the Word'. When God showed you your true self, and you looked in that mirror and saw a brute beast, how humbling was that? Probably was earth-shattering, wasn't it?

Well, apparently not, because we've 'immediately forgotten what kind of man/woman we were'. And that is why there is an almost complete lack of compassion on this forum whenever the subject of church comes up. We want to look at them for what they should be instead of seeing them as how we were.

Christ said 'you shall know them by their fruits'. That's how you know the spirit of God is actually working in someone, not posting scriptures that one doesn't even take to heart. I only see arrogant, condescending attitudes towards our soon to be brothers and sisters in Christ. Instead of showing maturity and realizing this church, or any other church in it's infant stage, is not where they will be eventually, we act like toddlers who grow impatient with our younger sibling.

I'm sorry but it really gets me how sound counsel is ignored because one would rather get on their high chair & preach.


Marques

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