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lauriellen:
Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and THEN SHALL THE END COME.

1Co 15:22  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23  But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24  THEN COMETH THE END, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

was sitting at breakfast this morning & the thought occurred to me that maybe Mat 24:14 is not talking about the time just before the 2nd coming, but the time before the consumation? don't remember ever reading anything connecting these 2 particular verses in Rays writings....can anyone else point me to any info expounding on these 2 verses? or point out where my thinking is flawed on this point? There has always seemed to be a big gap in time or like something is missing between 1 Cor 15:23 & verse 24.....maybe Matt 24:14 fills in that missing peice of the puzzle?
thanks, lauriellen

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: lauriellen on January 03, 2011, 08:43:59 AM ---Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and THEN SHALL THE END COME.

1Co 15:22  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23  But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24  THEN COMETH THE END, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

was sitting at breakfast this morning & the thought occurred to me that maybe Mat 24:14 is not talking about the time just before the 2nd coming, but the time before the consumation? don't remember ever reading anything connecting these 2 particular verses in Rays writings....can anyone else point me to any info expounding on these 2 verses? or point out where my thinking is flawed on this point? There has always seemed to be a big gap in time or like something is missing between 1 Cor 15:23 & verse 24.....maybe Matt 24:14 fills in that missing peice of the puzzle?
thanks, lauriellen


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Hello Lauriellen,

Email reply from Ray (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,10367.msg88830.html#msg88830):

Dear Nicolette:  Granted that verse does seem confusing until we take a much closer look at it.  Notice
that Jesus said there would be many things happening before He would return:  Signs in the sun and moon (Matt
24:29);  the sign of the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven (Ver. 30);  angels gathering the elect at the
sound of the trumpet (Ver. 31);  the parable of the fig tree (Ver. 32).  Now then, WHAT generation would not
pass until our Lord Returns?  The generation that Jesus was talking to in Matt. 24?  NO.  "THIS" generation--the
generation that would see,

Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, WHEN YE shall see ALL THESE THINGS, know that it is near, even at the doors.

It would be the generation that would "see ALL these things" mentioned in the previous verses, THAT would be

the generation that will not pass until our Lord comes.

The word "this" in this verse is from the following words and notice how it can be translated:

G3778

οὗτος, οὗτοι, αὕτη, αὕται

houtos houtoi hautē hautai

hoo'-tos, hoo'-toy, how'-tay, how'-tahee

Including the nominative masculine plural (second form), nominative feminine signular (third form), and the nominate feminine plural, (fourth form). From the article G3588 and G846; the he (she or it), that is, this or THAT (often with the article repeated): - he (it was that), hereof, it, she, such as, the same, these, they, this (man, same, woman), which, who.

I do not know Greek, but possibly Matt. 24:34 could be translation "THAT generation."  Which generation?  THAT one--the one which sees "ALL THESE THINGS," and no generation has get seen "all of these things" come to pass.

God be with you,

Ray



'Then Cometh the End' is the consummation of the age. The Concordant translates it as such in Matt 24:14 & 1 Cor 15:24. The 2nd Coming begins a new age as does Christ turning over the Kingdom to the Father begins a new age.

Matt 24 states the gospel will be preached to all nations unto the end of the age as a WITNESS unto them. Ray mentions how 'this generation' are those who will see all these signs come to pass (including the gospel being a witness unto all nations -v14). The consummation of this age leads into the Judgment age.

1 Cor 15:24 states that the end of the Judgment age comes AFTER Christ has placed all enemies under His foot [1 Cor 15:25-28]. The 'end' spoken of in verse 24 is only understood after reading Paul's additional statements in verses 25-28.


Hope this helps,

Marques

Kat:

Hi Lauriellen,

To add to what Marques has explained. This passage in matt. 24 is Jesus' reply to the disciples when they ask, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" So the disciples are asking about the end of this present age and Jesus goes through a lot of things that will happen in this age. And then we come to verse 14 and it speaks of "the end of the age."

Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

And in the rest of the chapter we can see that it continues to speak about things that come to pass in this age. So I think that what is spoken of in verse 14 would also be Jesus speaking of this age.

Just wanted to add this thought on that passage.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

lauriellen:
thank you for your input. i know from the context that Matt is talking about the end of 'this' age, but was just wondering if there might be more there than meets the eye, and don't really know why that thought came to mind this morning....guess i was just thinking about how many have lived and died never hearing the gospel, and of course most Christians think that this life is their only chance to hear and respond...guess was just pondering if the 'in all the world' of Matt might be referring to a time when ALL will truely be taught the gospel. just a thought.
thanks,
lauriellen

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: lauriellen on January 03, 2011, 02:13:51 PM ---guess was just pondering if the 'in all the world' of Matt might be referring to a time when ALL will truely be taught the gospel. just a thought.
thanks,
lauriellen
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All will be taught the gospel, but the scripture you referred to speaks of the gospel being preached as a witness unto (or against) all nations. The end of this age culminates with the majority of the world in complete turmoil. It is not until the end of the NEXT age that all nations will be submissive unto the Lord.

Matt 24 & 1 Cor 15 are speaking of 2 different ages and their respective conclusions.

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