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"then cometh the end"
Akira329:
Sweet I like this thread! ;D
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Joe in Arkansas:
I believe that we are missing the point of these prophecies that Christ laid out for us in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. If you read the Mark and Luke accounts it is clear that these prophecies are for each and every one of us since the time He said them. Christ's says this in Luke:
Luke 21:35-36 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
If Christ's admonition to "watch" is only for the last generation of this age, then why are we told to "pray always" that we may be accounted worthy to escape all these things? I truly believe that these prophecies are for "all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth" since the time that Christ said them. They were fulfilled within the 1st generation from Christ and are still reoccurring within the lives of all other persons in this age since that time. I believe that Peter, John, Paul, etc. were accounted worthy and escaped (made it through them) these things so as to be able to stand before the son of Man. And like the apostles, we too must "escape" them in order to stand before Christ. If we do not "escape" them, then we will face judgment in the final age. So from that understanding, I do agree that the "end" in Matthew 24 is the end of this age and the "end" in 1Cor is the end in the final age.
Sincerely,
Joe in Arkansas
Marky Mark:
Well said Joe in Arkansas...
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
1Co 10:11 But, these things, by way of type, were happening unto them, and were written with a view to our admonition, unto whom, the ends of the ages, have reached along.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
Luk 17:20 Now, being inquired of by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God is coming, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God is not coming with scrutiny."
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they be declaring 'Lo! here!' or 'Lo! there!' for lo! the kingdom of God is inside of you.
1Pe 4:17 For it is the ripe time for the judgment to begin with the house of God; but, if first with us, what shall be the end of them who yield not unto the glad-message of God?
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Rev 11:15 And the seventh messenger trumpets. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of this world became our Lord's and His Christ's, and He shall be reigning for the eons of the eons! Amen!
Isa 28:9 Whom will He direct in knowledge? And to whom will He explain a report? Those weaned from milk. Those pulled away from breasts.
Isa 28:10 For instruction is added to instruction, instruction to instruction, expectation to expectation, expectation to expectation, a bit there, a bit there."
Isa 28:11 For with deridings of lip, and in another tongue He will speak to this people,
Isa 28:12 when He says to them:"This is the resting place. Give rest to the faint. And this is the respite.Yet they are not willing to hearken,
Isa 28:13 when the word of Yahweh Elohim comes to them
Psa 119:160 The sum of Your word is truth, And all of Your righteous ordinances are eonian."
Psa 139:17 How precious are Your thoughts to me, O El, How plentiful are their sums:"
Rev 2:29 He who has ears, let him give ear to what the Spirit says to the churches.
Peace...Mark
Joe in Arkansas:
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on January 14, 2011, 09:05:12 AM ---Well said Joe in Arkansas...
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
1Co 10:11 But, these things, by way of type, were happening unto them, and were written with a view to our admonition, unto whom, the ends of the ages, have reached along.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
Luk 17:20 Now, being inquired of by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God is coming, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God is not coming with scrutiny."
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they be declaring 'Lo! here!' or 'Lo! there!' for lo! the kingdom of God is inside of you.
1Pe 4:17 For it is the ripe time for the judgment to begin with the house of God; but, if first with us, what shall be the end of them who yield not unto the glad-message of God?
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Rev 11:15 And the seventh messenger trumpets. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of this world became our Lord's and His Christ's, and He shall be reigning for the eons of the eons! Amen!
Isa 28:9 Whom will He direct in knowledge? And to whom will He explain a report? Those weaned from milk. Those pulled away from breasts.
Isa 28:10 For instruction is added to instruction, instruction to instruction, expectation to expectation, expectation to expectation, a bit there, a bit there."
Isa 28:11 For with deridings of lip, and in another tongue He will speak to this people,
Isa 28:12 when He says to them:"This is the resting place. Give rest to the faint. And this is the respite.Yet they are not willing to hearken,
Isa 28:13 when the word of Yahweh Elohim comes to them
Psa 119:160 The sum of Your word is truth, And all of Your righteous ordinances are eonian."
Psa 139:17 How precious are Your thoughts to me, O El, How plentiful are their sums:"
Rev 2:29 He who has ears, let him give ear to what the Spirit says to the churches.
Peace...Mark
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Mark,
Thank you for those scriptures you posted. There are so few in this world who understands and believes them. I am going to print them out for future reference.
Thanks,
Joe
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Joe in Arkansas on January 13, 2011, 07:03:43 PM ---I truly believe that these prophecies are for "all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth" since the time that Christ said them. They were fulfilled within the 1st generation from Christ and are still reoccurring within the lives of all other persons in this age since that time.
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Joe, take a look at this email reply from Ray, if you will:
Email reply from Ray (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,10367.msg88830.html#msg88830):
Dear Nicolette: Granted that verse does seem confusing until we take a much closer look at it. Notice
that Jesus said there would be many things happening before He would return: Signs in the sun and moon (Matt
24:29); the sign of the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven (Ver. 30); angels gathering the elect at the
sound of the trumpet (Ver. 31); the parable of the fig tree (Ver. 32). Now then, WHAT generation would not
pass until our Lord Returns? The generation that Jesus was talking to in Matt. 24? NO. "THIS" generation--the
generation that would see,
Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, WHEN YE shall see ALL THESE THINGS, know that it is near, even at the doors.
It would be the generation that would "see ALL these things" mentioned in the previous verses, THAT would be
the generation that will not pass until our Lord comes.
The word "this" in this verse is from the following words and notice how it can be translated:
G3778
οὗτος, οὗτοι, αὕτη, αὕται
houtos houtoi hautē hautai
hoo'-tos, hoo'-toy, how'-tay, how'-tahee
Including the nominative masculine plural (second form), nominative feminine signular (third form), and the nominate feminine plural, (fourth form). From the article G3588 and G846; the he (she or it), that is, this or THAT (often with the article repeated): - he (it was that), hereof, it, she, such as, the same, these, they, this (man, same, woman), which, who.
I do not know Greek, but possibly Matt. 24:34 could be translation "THAT generation." Which generation? THAT one--the one which sees "ALL THESE THINGS," and no generation has get seen "all of these things" come to pass.
God be with you,
Ray
These signs have assuredly not all come to pass, particularly God's Elect being gathered at the sound of the trumpet. Paul talked about this trumpet being a call for the dead in Christ to awaken [1 Cor 15:52] and the Lord descending from the heavens [1 Thess 4:16]. Only the last generation will 'see these things'.
Further down in the same passage, Jesus tells us we are to watch because we do not know when He is coming:
Matt 24:42-44 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Marques
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