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G. Driggs:
--- Quote from: Gordon on March 11, 2011, 02:27:53 PM ---
--- Quote ---Did Jesus say 'he who abides in in Me, and I in him, MY FATHER will produce much fruit'? No, John 15:5 states that he who has Christ abiding IN him, that believer will produce much fruit.
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Mr. Smith quotes:
It is ALL OF GOD. Faith to believe God, to believe in God, to believe His Word, must come FROM GOD (Eph. 2:08). It is a GIFT from God. We don't choose Christ, but rather He chooses us (John 15:16), and we do not come to Christ, but rather the Father drags us (John 6:44). And we do not produce spiritual fruit. Our spiritual fruit comes from another source than ourselves, it is the "fruit OF THE SPIRIT," that's the source.
GOD BLESS
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Hi Gordon, can you please provide a link to where Ray said that. I personally could not find it, but I may have missed it. Thanks.
G.Driggs
DougE6:
--- Quote ---Job tells us in verse 21, "...Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return: the LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away: blessed be the name of the LORD."
Did Job say the wind killed his children? No. Did Job say Satan killed his children? No. Job said God killed his children, "...the LORD has taken away..."
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No question these scriptures are very comforting. I/we can trust God to use the "junkyard dog" in a way completely above and beyond any way that we can, and as God is the ultimate cause, I am calmed by that usage for I trust Him! As God goaded satan and did turn the junkyard dog on Job (within the constraints God set) we really do need to have some comforting words after that terrible episode, that God is in charge, that God did set the parameters, and so it helps us to see past satans malevolent hand to Gods benevolent hand, and that really changes things! GOD TOTALLY FIXED ALL THAT SATAN DID! WE NEED READ THE WHOLE STORY! WE SEE HOW THE STORY ENDED AND JOB WAS MADE WHOLE! Maybe my major disagreement with your statements when you speak of evils and say "God the Father did it" is you actually are not privy to see these things unfold in the heavenly realms, and you cannot know or speak of how God is going to make it all whole in the end. Therefore I feel it is more prudent to blame the immediate causes, but yet look to God in faith that He will restore, that He will make it all good, all whole in the end. When you do not/cannot completely explain it all, as the book of Job did, I think it is not prudent to say that God is the one doing it. Because from our very limited view, we can only see the work of satan, we cannot see the plan or future work of God. We can only in faith see that God will overcome all this. So we run the real risk of making God seem like satan, when he is not. I know that is not your intent, but it can be perceived that way.
Duane:
After reading all these threads until my eyes are blurry--one scripture comes to mind --good works are for the person to do "that others may SEE your good works and GLORIFY (not the person) your Father, who is in heaven." Pretty deep, huh? LOL
Foxx:
Wow, So many responses. I have been reading many of them. Some of which are off topic but I understand how all this stuff is connected in some form or fashion but it's my first time checking this thread in a week so I just wanted to thank everyone for all of the useful input! I will use it and think on this to further my understanding. ;)
One Love:
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