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rvhill:
Not that I any longer universalism, but how does anyone who believe in hell or believe people can go to a place called hell deal with this vers.
Matthew 5:19:
19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
John 3:12
I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
So right now I am just putting my faith in Jesus. He is the way and only way. From now on I only wish to care about the earthly things, I have a hope of understanding.
Luke 10:27 He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' [ Deut. 6:5] ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' [ Lev. 19:18] "
Jesus basic doctrine as stated in Mat 5 and Luke 6, and the heavenly treasures, patience, understanding, compassion, and est. I really do not even know if I can acquire these things, but I wish to try.
mongoose:
rvhill, You can't "acquire" these things but God can give them to you and He will, in His own time though. Learning to wait on God may be the hardest lesson I've been getting. I would've once told you it would be absolutely impossible for anyone, even God, to teach me to be patient or to forgive some people. I was wrong!!! ;D I can't say I qualify as patient or am that good at loving my neighbor now but I am sure a whole lot more patient than I once was and when someone does something that would've made me mad before, I find myself stopping to think. Me stopping to think? That was unheard of before. I was a hot-tempered impatient person who just loved to fight (physically, verbally, however possible). For sure, it has taken a long long time though and I expect it'll continue to take even longer. People who believe in hell must surely be blinded as the scriptures say, otherwise they could see what God plainly says. Even without knowing about mistranslations and wrong words and other things, it seems plain (only because God made it so for me) that He is going to save all. Remember that nothing can ever separate you from God's love. You are His no matter what my friend.
rvhill:
--- Quote from: mongoose on July 10, 2006, 06:08:32 PM ---rvhill, You can't "acquire" these things but God can give them to you and He will, in His own time though. Learning to wait on God may be the hardest lesson I've been getting. I would've once told you it would be absolutely impossible for anyone, even God, to teach me to be patient or to forgive some people. I was wrong!!! ;D I can't say I qualify as patient or am that good at loving my neighbor now but I am sure a whole lot more patient than I once was and when someone does something that would've made me mad before, I find myself stopping to think. Me stopping to think? That was unheard of before. I was a hot-tempered impatient person who just loved to fight (physically, verbally, however possible). For sure, it has taken a long long time though and I expect it'll continue to take even longer. People who believe in hell must surely be blinded as the scriptures say, otherwise they could see what God plainly says. Even without knowing about mistranslations and wrong words and other things, it seems plain (only because God made it so for me) that He is going to save all. Remember that nothing can ever separate you from God's love. You are His no matter what my friend.
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I don't disagree that these things come only from God, but as Jame said,
James 2:26 For as the body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
If you do not long for these things. If you do not love these things. If you do not strive for these things. If you do not pray for these things, then what good is your faith? If you love God, then you love the things of God. If you do not love the things of God, then you do not love God. This way Paul says,
Romans 7:15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.
YellowStone:
This is an interesting concept RVHill :)
Are you suggesting that Paul did not love God?
That each one of us falls short of what even we imagine is an expectation of God is a given, but the amazing thing is that God's love is unconditional. :)
I have always thought of James verse to mean it is better to say nothing and do a little than say a lot and do nothing. The cool thing about works is they are measured from the heart, and only God can do that.
I think I know exactly how Paul felt.
Darren
YellowStone:
--- Quote from: mongoose on July 10, 2006, 06:08:32 PM ---rvhill, You can't "acquire" these things but God can give them to you and He will, in His own time though. Learning to wait on God may be the hardest lesson I've been getting. I would've once told you it would be absolutely impossible for anyone, even God, to teach me to be patient or to forgive some people. I was wrong!!! ;D I can't say I qualify as patient or am that good at loving my neighbor now but I am sure a whole lot more patient than I once was and when someone does something that would've made me mad before, I find myself stopping to think. Me stopping to think? That was unheard of before. I was a hot-tempered impatient person who just loved to fight (physically, verbally, however possible). For sure, it has taken a long long time though and I expect it'll continue to take even longer. People who believe in hell must surely be blinded as the scriptures say, otherwise they could see what God plainly says. Even without knowing about mistranslations and wrong words and other things, it seems plain (only because God made it so for me) that He is going to save all. Remember that nothing can ever separate you from God's love. You are His no matter what my friend.
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What a wonderful and thought provoking post Mongoose. I especially liked your point about mistranslations, etc. They cannot hide Gods love, pure and simple. That God has a plan for me is certain, what that plan is unknown. I simply have to give up second guessing. God's Love is so simple and pure, it's no wonder it's over looked.
God is wonderful and he loves us all.
Darren
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