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mongoose:
rvhhill, It seems that the love of God, wanting to do good...all of that also comes from God. Like God doesn't tell you to go start doing good without first putting the desire in you. Feeling these things was, for me, a first step I think. Not that I do a lot of good now either but I am starting to see a progression, which gives me hope. He is faithful to His promises and He will lead you the rest of the way. I love scripture you had below (along with the surrounding verses):
We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do----this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God---through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin. Romans 7:14-25
I find this comforting. Paul spoke of himself as a work in progress. I find it so comforting that he felt this way. We are not alone and all struggle with similar things, even the apostles.....amazing!
jenny06:
My husband has a problem with there being no hell. He also has difficulty believing that all will be saved. In light of the fact that all will acknowledge Him in due course and that all can be acccomplished through Christ (I find it ironic that the word "can" implies ability and says a lot all in itself), I think it should be obvious. But the things hidden in the open are usually less obvious, right? He was raised in Catholocism and has the doctrine deeply ingrained. I was not raised in it, though my siblings went through the whole nine yards. He has an issue with not having punishment as a result of his failure to follow God's will. I told him that it should be enough for us to realize that God's will is what is right for us and that we should want to please Him just as we would want to please our own physical parents. He had fallen away from church before I met him. When I went through adult catechism I learned some of the lies, like how they split one of the ten commandments in two to delete the one and he had a difficult time with that. Anyhow, every move in each different direction seemed to fall to me. I have had difficulty remaining faithful to any one church. My whole walk in faith has proven to be a string of circumstances that could not be coinsidence. While he wanted to take root in one denomination, I have difficutly trusting any man and body of men (human) and their doctrine. I know that God led me to BT. Anyone with advice??? He'll spend hours playing on the net or checking on stock, but to get him to come here or BTs to read is proving difficult. I know that he could find edification at this forum. He is running short on excuses for not opening his own account at this forum.
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chumkin:
--- Quote from: jenny06 on July 11, 2006, 04:59:18 PM ---My husband has a problem with there being no hell. He also has difficulty believing that all will be saved. In light of the fact that all will acknowledge Him in due course and that all can be acccomplished through Christ (I find it ironic that the word "can" implies ability and says a lot all in itself), I think it should be obvious. But the things hidden in the open are usually less obvious, right? He was raised in Catholocism and has the doctrine deeply ingrained. I was not raised in it, though my siblings went through the whole nine yards. He has an issue with not having punishment as a result of his failure to follow God's will. I told him that it should be enough for us to realize that God's will is what is right for us and that we should want to please Him just as we would want to please our own physical parents. He had fallen away from church before I met him. When I went through adult catechism I learned some of the lies, like how they split one of the ten commandments in two to delete the one and he had a difficult time with that. Anyhow, every move in each different direction seemed to fall to me. I have had difficulty remaining faithful to any one church. My whole walk in faith has proven to be a string of circumstances that could not be coinsidence. While he wanted to take root in one denomination, I have difficutly trusting any man and body of men (human) and their doctrine. I know that God led me to BT. Anyone with advice??? He'll spend hours playing on the net or checking on stock, but to get him to come here or BTs to read is proving difficult. I know that he could find edification at this forum. He is running short on excuses for not opening his own account at this forum.
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try reverse phsycology ;D
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: jenny06 on July 11, 2006, 04:59:18 PM ---My husband has a problem with there being no hell. He also has difficulty believing that all will be saved. In light of the fact that all will acknowledge Him in due course and that all can be acccomplished through Christ (I find it ironic that the word "can" implies ability and says a lot all in itself), I think it should be obvious. But the things hidden in the open are usually less obvious, right? He was raised in Catholocism and has the doctrine deeply ingrained. I was not raised in it, though my siblings went through the whole nine yards. He has an issue with not having punishment as a result of his failure to follow God's will. I told him that it should be enough for us to realize that God's will is what is right for us and that we should want to please Him just as we would want to please our own physical parents. He had fallen away from church before I met him. When I went through adult catechism I learned some of the lies, like how they split one of the ten commandments in two to delete the one and he had a difficult time with that. Anyhow, every move in each different direction seemed to fall to me. I have had difficulty remaining faithful to any one church. My whole walk in faith has proven to be a string of circumstances that could not be coinsidence. While he wanted to take root in one denomination, I have difficutly trusting any man and body of men (human) and their doctrine. I know that God led me to BT. Anyone with advice??? He'll spend hours playing on the net or checking on stock, but to get him to come here or BTs to read is proving difficult. I know that he could find edification at this forum. He is running short on excuses for not opening his own account at this forum.
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Hi Jen,
Where did your husband ever get the idea that the Lord does not chastise or punish His children? Is God limited to giving a reward or torturing through infinity? Who has put these limitations on Him when scripture states just the opposite? We both know it is man who attempts to limit the One who has no limitations.
Are we this bound and gagged with our own children? Are we as parents limited only to either rewarding them or beating the snot out of them for the rest of their natural life? Of course not, we patiently instruct them and when some sort of punishment is necessary to get their attention it is done out of love and to correct not torment to the point of insanity. Do we as men have a purer more compassionate love than our Creator?
The Lake of Fire series is long and it is thorough but you should pick out some parts that you feel might interest your husband, print them out and present them to him, spoon feed him so to speak.
My prayers are with you both,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
Bobby,
Missed your post or got beat to the punch by you once again ;D
Joe
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