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aqrinc:

Hi Tau,

We each must walk the walk alone with Christ. The Spirit Will and Does keep us wherever we may go. Short story, my wife of 36+ years now, thinks i am a lost heretic, most others think so too btw. But i have learned that what i feel matters not, and she is one of those little one that Jesus said: it is better to put a millstone around our own neck and be cast into the sea, than harm them. So then it must be very important for you to walk that walk and learn how to work all things together (just like your Father From Above).

Today she still believes that John Hagee and Joel Osteen are her teachers, and guess what, i no longer get upset or even try hard to show her any errors. My reason, when Christ Is Ready, she will, like i was, be dragged kicking and spitting mad, to The Throne Of Grace. So rest and learn how to be God-Like in this small task brother, it is easier to learn when not kicking against the pricks.

(Phillips NT) Php 2:12-13 So then, my dearest friends, as you have always followed my advice - and that not only when I was present to give it - so now that I am far away be keener than ever to work out the salvation that God has given you with a proper sense of awe and responsibility. For it is God who is at work within you, giving you the will and the power to achieve his purpose.

cjwood:
hello tau.  you have received some excellent advice and counsel to your questions.  duane gave a good idea about going with your wife and writing down some things you hear being preached, which you have been shown by His Spirit are heresy/false teachings.  then showing your wife at home, using the things ray has shared with us regarding truths of the scriptures on the specific things you wrote down from the sermon.  great place to start with her i think. 

also, remember the commandment given to 'come out of her my people, mystery babylon' is another example of first the physical, then the spiritual.  the final removal of yourself from the physical church, may be done in increments for your specific situation.  only our Father Creator knows the outcome.  but, He has begun a good work in you.  only He can.  He is not finished with you, or with your wife.  be patient and take this to Him often in prayer.  He is faithful, and can be trusted.  :)  please let us know how things progress.

claudia

Duane:
One of the highlights of each day is reading everyone's posts!  It is so encouraging to see us propping each other up as we all climb our own family/relative "mountains".
J'ever feel like the one who resisted all the teachers, scholars, philosophers and scientists,
plus religious leaders back in Columbus's/Magellon's day--when it was a KNOWN, PROVEABLE, and UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED FACT that the earth was flat; and,  the sun revolved around the earth?  Sometimes the HERESY cost "ALTERNATE THINKERS" their heads! (Certainly "our kind" were the laughing stocks and "family embarrassments" in society.)
Like us, "SELECTED" people probably wondered "why is it ME that has to realize the scientific truth and "buck the comfortable mainstream" with my radical thinking! 
But, NOW that I DO KNOW  W H A T   I  know, how could I ever go BACK to believing the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth!  WHY did God "bless" ME with the insight--like it or not?!  Is it MY job to convince others of scientific fact or let God "open minds"?
Now, should I be "good"- and accompany my loved one to "class" and hear the next anticipated lecture on "Earth Flatness and Topography"?  Will I be able to shut up about  "gravity" and AVOID ASKING why the oceans don't drain off the edge of the earth? 
They say "it's lonely at the top!" but "it's lonely being 'the few'" also!  Be faithful to truth!

Marky Mark:

--- Quote ---  So, are you suggesting that one continues to attend the service and take it on the chin knowing that all trials and discomfort work on our faith?
--- End quote ---


Hello tau.

  It matters not what I have to say but rather what The Word of God has to say.If we do not live by every word then surely we do a disservice to Jesus and His Father.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

The coat of many colors that symbolizes Gods Truths and purpose for His chosen should be worn and not hung in a closet somewhere,out of site.

Gen 37:3  Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he was the son of his old age: and he made him a coat of many colours.
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When we participate in worldly church matters we do not let our true light shine.

Luk 11:33  No man, when the light has been lighted, puts it in a secret place, or under a vessel, but on its table, so that those who come in may see the light.


 When we come out of her others will see we have been faithful to Gods Word and not to false doctrine.   

Col 1:21 And you, being once estranged and enemies in comprehension, by wicked acts, yet now He reconciles"
Col 1:22 by His body of flesh, through His death, to present you holy and flawless and unimpeachable in His sight,

We must die to self so that we may live.

Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
John 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Rom 6:13 ...Yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Being a watchman has high accountability and just rewards.

Eze 3:17  Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

And of course the reward is...

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Col 3:24  Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

Mat 22:14  For many are called, but few are chosen.

We must always keep The Word and overcome babylon and in return The Word will keep us.

Rev 2:26  And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Rev 2:27  And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rev 2:28  And I will give him the morning star.
Rev 2:29  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.



Peace...Mark

DougE6:

Hi Mark

That is all very well and good, what you wrote, and I was edified by reading it, and encouraged to press on to the high calling by reading it, but going from the general principles you cited to the specific circumstance, in addressing Tau's question, what are you counseling?  Hopefully not too hard a line?

How about these scriptures, that are also part of the every word that comes from the mouth of God? These scriptures that directly tell us how to treat others, specially our wives and husbands?

Eph 5:25  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:28  So ought men to love their wives, as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife, loveth himself.

What is Love? What is the definition of love?
Co 13:4  Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant
1Co 13:5  or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;
1Co 13:6  it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.
1Co 13:7  Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
1Co 13:8  Love never ends.

Love doesn't insist on its own way. It endures unpleasantness. It always hopes. It doesn't give up.  Love will bear the weakness of the weaker. If someone has less faith, and they can't see what I see, how should I act towards them? How did Paul treat weaker brothers in the faith, who still thought eaten food sacrificed to idols had power, or other weak false doctrines, like believing some days were better than others? 

Rom 14:5  One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:6  The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.
Rom 14:7  For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself.
Rom 14:8  For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9  For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
Rom 14:10  Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God;
Rom 14:11  for it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
Rom 14:12  So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.

I bear with my  the less complete understanding of  Gods ways and plans with others (like my wife)  in my family with love.  I am willing to IN LOVE to  subject myself to things that are less than my spiritual understanding. And who is to say that I am in any whit better?  Jesus judgment seat will bring everything to light.

 But as far as meeting people where they are at;  have  I not done the same in the non spiritual realm many times  when I play with my kids? of course!  I know multivariable calculus and differential equations. Do I talk to my fifth grader of such? LOL.  When  my kids were babies I spoke baby language to them.  And it was entirely appropriate.

How should a believer treat a non believing spouse?  Lets see what the scriptures say....

1Co 7:14  For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
e 3:7  Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.
1Pe 3:1  Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives,
1Pe 3:2  when they see your respectful and pure conduct.

Here Paul says that a wife could win over her unbeleiving husband by good conduct, without even a word!! Why cant men do the same?

I think one should do whatever is the most loving in every situation.  Why? because your superior knowledge and faith is subservient to love.....

1Co 13:1  If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
1Co 13:2  And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3  If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.
Co 13:13  So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.


All your works and understandings are not more important than how you treat your spouse, and how you treat your neighbor.  And the correct path in any situation must be carefully put through the LOVE test. And I will try to win my spouse with Godly nuturing and forbearance,  especially if  I feel that is what God is calling me to do, especially in light of these scriptures.

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