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Akira329:
I love where this study is headed! :D
Antaiwan

aqrinc:

Hi Deb, always checking in, just not saying much, thanks you.

indianabob:
Thanks everyone for the topic and comments.
re: the subject line; NO I am not afraid of God.
I know that I will sink to my knees in awe and fear whenever God needs to firmly corrects me,
but I don't think of it as fear, more like being thrown into the river by my daddy knowing that I shall survive.
Meanwhile today is not the day of the swimming lesson, so I am calm and contented.
I think and of course I won't know until I am tested, that I have come to trust my God a little more than I first did.
Bob
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One thought came to mind for me as I read the contributions and I don't recall where Ray may have mentioned it.

If the creator is the Father of Jesus then didn't Ray say that the Father had to exist first?
If Jesus came from the Father didn't the Father then create Jesus?
If the creator had no beginning and has no end then it seems "to my understanding"
that the whole future family of the Creator proceeded from a source that has "always" existed.

If we who are to become the sons of the Father/Creator and to become a part of the family of "God",
are all from the Father and all came "out of the Father" that leaves us with the following.

The creator is unique in the sense that the creator had no source, no beginning.
If we accept that premise, then the rest of us are all different in that we all depend upon our Father for
our continued existence.
Meanwhile the Father depends upon no one and no other entity for His existence.

In like manner Jesus, the only begotten of the Father/Creator was and remains forever unique.
None of us were begotten by the Father in the womb of our mothers.
Yes, the Father provided the means for us to be conceived, but by means of our human fathers. (Adam, Eve different)

Therefore Jesus shall always be in many ways superior to all of us, no matter how long we live and exist
as "sons" of God or sons of the Father/Creator. Jesus shall always be the "first born", an office that none
of us shall ever ? attain (as far as I understand now) We shall always be subject to our Elder brother.

Just thought to add a little to further stimulate the discussion.

Thank you for any advice or correction.

Indiana Bob

judith collier:
Hi Bob, nice!!! Have you ever tried to mentally grasp that 'no beginning and no end". It's unfathomable!!! But, a circle has no beginning or no end. Maybe that's why all those references to the "circle of love or prayer circles or in the circle of love, etc".  It suggests unbroken relationship. Our part in it would be to keep that chain unbroken with God's grace of course. A Family circle.
There is a book out by a female Jewish Rabbi who explains how relationships in Judaism are connected to this very thought of God as Father. I forget her name and was going to get it at one time but never did. To the Orthodox Jew family is the pinnacle of the physical. That must be why so much lineage is recorded among themselves.
Just musings from an average mind.
love, judy

dave:
Great study!  :)

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