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Today in paradise?
Sorin:
Nightmare said: "The thief died to his flesh on the cross, and called upon the name of the Lord to be saved, and the Lord answered his call. Was Paradise immediate? Probably not."
Right, it does say "whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" but if the thief went directly to Paradise on that same day (or after drawing his last breath) then it contradicts too many other scriptures (i.e. the dead no not anything, resurrection, a place of unperception/hades/sheol etc...). So yes, the thief shall
be saved, but this is in the future.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead(not the living thieves in paradise) were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Doesn't that also include the thief? I mean won't he ever be judged according to his works? And if so, then how much sense would it make to allow him to be in Paradise until judgement day, and then send him back to his coprses grave, so he can be resurrected and judged according to his works? That's why dead until resurrection day is the only thing that makes sense.
Chris R:
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke on July 12, 2006, 12:10:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chris R on July 12, 2006, 12:25:01 AM ---Hello, Night
No one will ever "convince" anyone of these truths....trying to "win" a argument with folks about these truths is something you will soon find fruitless..
Chris R
--- End quote ---
Why write a paper with holes in it?
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Hi Night,
Are you seriously thinking That by some amazing insight you will write a paper that will encompass all truth?
that there will be no one questioning your insights?
Even the scripture cannot help you there, Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Or Job 36:26 Behold, God is great, and we know him not, neither can the number of his years be searched out.
This is why we "learn" righteousness in Isaiah 26:9...As there are none that have understanding of it now, much to our bruised egos, our righteousness is still as filthy rags.
All one needs to do, is just read this forum, and you will quickly see the number of insights that folks have concerning all things.
Peace
Chris R
nightmare sasuke:
--- Quote from: Chris R on July 13, 2006, 08:30:42 AM ---
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke on July 12, 2006, 12:10:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chris R on July 12, 2006, 12:25:01 AM ---Hello, Night
No one will ever "convince" anyone of these truths....trying to "win" a argument with folks about these truths is something you will soon find fruitless..
Chris R
--- End quote ---
Why write a paper with holes in it?
--- End quote ---
Hi Night,
Are you seriously thinking That by some amazing insight you will write a paper that will encompass all truth?
that there will be no one questioning your insights?
Even the scripture cannot help you there, Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Or Job 36:26 Behold, God is great, and we know him not, neither can the number of his years be searched out.
This is why we "learn" righteousness in Isaiah 26:9...As there are none that have understanding of it now, much to our bruised egos, our righteousness is still as filthy rags.
All one needs to do, is just read this forum, and you will quickly see the number of insights that folks have concerning all things.
Peace
Chris R
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I'm writing a paper explaining how death is unconscious. I aim to win my readers. Is there anything wrong with working hard on something? I'm sure Paul didn't write any of his Epistles in five minutes; to the contrary, he poured his heart and soul into them.
I've learned to think like an Orthodox person for the purpose of defeating their arguements. I'm trying to counter their lame arguements in my paper before they can make them to me in some other way.
jerry:
I think he was saying,I tell you today,he would see him in paradise,I think the coment had more to do with the fact that Jesus was on the cross for our sins on that day,andother way to say it could be I tell because of this sacrifice I have made today,you will be in my faters kindom,there was no actual day of intering it mentioned,but stateing that on that day because of what He did for us all mankind will be in the kingdom,thats just the way I think of it,
Harryfeat:
Hello,
I was not planning to respond to this question because I am horrible with punctuation and grammar. I accept Ray's explanation of the comma placement. Where did Christ go the day he died. If He didn't go to paradise that day, then the comma question is moot because the thief would not be with Christ in paradise on that day. Did He go directly to paradise or did He have to wait three days until his resurrection since he said to touch him not for he had not ascended to the Father?
You are arguing/supporting a point that death is being unconscious. I presume that this unconsciousness in your opinion lasts until everyone is resurrected together at the same time. If you haven't already, then you should be prepared to discuss Matthew 17 and the 144, 000 and others discussed early in Revelations.
I know this is off topic but I have always had the impression that upon ressurection we would be spirit entities similar to angels. I could never understand why Christ ascended to the Father rather than just kind of disburse in every direction or just fade out from the physical eyesight of everyone.
I personally think you might be setting yourself up for a true nightmare of frustrations but my prayers are with you in your search for truth and edification
feat
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