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Today in paradise?
nightmare sasuke:
--- Quote from: prarrydog on July 09, 2006, 11:25:36 PM --- Nightmare,
You seem to be very confused on alot of issues. I would suggest that you work on one topic until you have your answer and then move on to the next. It sounds to me, with all the questions you have had here lately that you need to get back to the basics. I think you are confusing yourself. I know you are confusing me.
You said
I don't see why a dying Jesus would bother adding another word to his sentence. Why say "today" if the word was not important? That's what bothers me.
I say
Joh 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
Why the second verily. Why say "I say unto thee". There are many words which Jesus said that we think can be eliminated because we think they are not important.
Maybe the word "today" has to do with this...
Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
The answer to your puzzle lies in the scriptures. What do the scriptures support. Are people dead right now or are they in paradise?
Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even the memory of them is forgotten.
God be with you
with love
Scott
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I know the dead are unconscious. I have written 10 chapters concerning the subject. However, I am thinking logically. My detractors will say, "Why did Jesus, who was in utter pain, nailed to a cross, add an extra word to his sentence, drain himself of extra breath, if the word did not have any significance or add to the emphasis of his message? Why bother saying 'today' if he did not mean that day. It is obvious he was saying it that very day."
By quoting other (only 2) translations, all the detractor must say is that I am using other translations to support my beliefs.
prarrydog:
Nightmare,
Did you read Ray's response to his e-mail that Rodger pointed out. It explains it alot better than I can. I like number 7:
AFTER Jesus was crucified, dead, and buried, and AFTER three days and three nights, and AFTER He was resurrected, He met to Merriam, "Do NOT TOUCH ME, for NOT AS YET HAVE I ASCENDED TO MY FATHER" (John 20:17). So even AFTER His resurrection, He was NOT IN A PLACE CALLED PARADISE WITH THE THIEF, but rather conversing with Merriam and the Disciples for forty days.
This blows the theory of 'TODAY" out of the water.
Good luck
nightmare sasuke:
--- Quote from: prarrydog on July 10, 2006, 12:35:31 AM ---
Nightmare,
Did you read Ray's response to his e-mail that Rodger pointed out. It explains it alot better than I can. I like number 7:
AFTER Jesus was crucified, dead, and buried, and AFTER three days and three nights, and AFTER He was resurrected, He met to Merriam, "Do NOT TOUCH ME, for NOT AS YET HAVE I ASCENDED TO MY FATHER" (John 20:17). So even AFTER His resurrection, He was NOT IN A PLACE CALLED PARADISE WITH THE THIEF, but rather conversing with Merriam and the Disciples for forty days.
This blows the theory of 'TODAY" out of the water.
Good luck
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There's two arguements Orthodoxy can present against that. Both are stupid, but they do not think so:
[1] The Father is not in paradise, but paradise is a section of hades.
[2] Jesus was talking about his physical ascent into the sky.
prarrydog:
Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
The tree of life is in the midst of paradise. So if we find the tree of life we find paradise.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Paradise is not in Hades.
prarrydog:
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[2] Jesus was talking about his physical ascent into the sky.
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Not sure what this means. You will have to explain it to me.
Thanks
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