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mharrell08:
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on April 29, 2011, 01:21:01 PM ---Joh 20:26 And after eight days, again were his disciples within, and Thomas with them; Jesus cometh, the doors having been shut, and he stood in the midst, and said, `Peace to you!'
Are we not assuming He altered His appearance to "pass thru?"
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No, when I spoke of altering His appearance, I was referring to when He spoke with Mary Magdalene, who did not recognize Him:
John 20:14-15 Now when she [Mary] had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and did not know that it was Jesus. Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?” She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, “Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away.”
Also, the disciples on the road to Emmaus
Luke 24:15-16 So it was, while they conversed and reasoned, that Jesus Himself drew near and went with them. But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him.
The passage that you posted above states that the doors were shut (as in a closed room), but Jesus 'appeared' in the midst of them. Perhaps He did not pass through the walls but simply made Himself appear instantly into their view. Either way, having a spiritual body would seem to give one abilities that no human being has.
Hope this helps,
Marques
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on April 29, 2011, 01:38:38 PM ---I must add also that is much talk in christian circles of "glorified bodies" yet the Bible is silent on this as well.
I am not attempting to say that I do not believe in some of terms and issuses I bring up, its just that when Im studying and I use the concordance and esword and find that some phrases that are written and taught about I am unable to find them. So I just ponder and wonder if these phrases that seem so utterly simple to us now, WHY were that not seen to be useful to the Apostles?
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Spiritual or celestial bodies are said to have a type of glory. Even our current terrestrial bodies are said to have a 'glory'.
1 Cor 15:40-41 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory
I think the things we understand and talk about now we learned from the Apostles, they simply said it a different way. Paul said the celestial (spiritual) body has a glory, today we may say a 'glorified body'. Tomato, Tomatoe
Marques
dave:
Still Paul only used celestial bodies, one time. And that only means "above/sky" and glorify is and honor isnt it?
GLORY G1392 doxazō
From G1391; to render (or esteem) glorious (in a wide application): - (make) glorify (-ious), full of (have) glory, honour, magnify.
What I have learned from Rays papers and his audios that has stuck out is that what we are being led to see, heard and understand is that the words of The Book and the Words of Jesus are SPIRIT, and I dont believe that we fully understand SPIRIT....yet.
Joh 6:63 the spirit it is that is giving life; the flesh doth not profit anything; the sayings that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life;
And that we are to understand the wisdom and depth of ONE...Joh 10:30 I and the Father are one.'
Revilonivek:
--- Quote from: Akira329 on April 29, 2011, 07:37:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on April 28, 2011, 10:05:07 PM ---This verse is the only time we find "spiritual body" in the Word of God. (1 Cor.15:44) And we find that it is single, not plural as bodies.
1Co 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body;
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I have accepted the teaching that we will have spiritual bodies at the resurrection.
The verse in ICor.15:44 reads that mankind is sown(or began) a natural(sensitive that is, animate)
it is raised(aroused or awaken from sleep) spiritual(non-carnal) and we know from 1Co 15:45 so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam is for a life-giving spirit, .....this verse tells me that when the natural body(first adam) will be raised a spiritual body(second adam
This all makes me reason and except that we do not recieve spiritual bodies when we die or when resurrected, that there is no such thing as spiritually dead, except in christian religion teaching.
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How do you accept the teaching that we have spiritual bodies at resurrection but conclude that we don't using the same verse??
Here is what Paul said,
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It (the body) is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It (the body) is sown in dishonour; it (the body) is raised in glory: it (the body) is sown in weakness; it (the body) is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It (the body) is sown a natural body; it (the body) is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Antaiwan
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Hey- here's something interesting.. later in that same chapter
1Co 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
resurrection of the dead isn't what you think..People think it's going to be like zombies crawling out of the grave and then restored back as humans.. It said, flesh and Blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. So therefore, we will not be humans when we resseurct from the dead. just something different.
So it debunks the theory that many believe the wicked will burn in hell with the physical human bodies. so of course the fire, brimestone, etc are spiritual not literal.
dave:
I like that, never put it together. Thanks
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