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daywalker:
--- Quote from: Drew on May 04, 2011, 07:32:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: daywalker on May 04, 2011, 04:31:24 PM ---
Drew,
How does your theory of the Sun revolving around the Earth prove that the Sun literally "rises" and "sets"? Have you forgotten the the Earth is a sphere? Or perhaps you still think it's flat like a pancake? How can the Sun literally "rise" and literally "set" if it is continually revolving around the circular Earth?
Daywalker 8)
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You've got me there, Daywalker, then it definitely comes back to ones perspective. I have to say, though, the theory does't belong to me. I read this in a Reconstructionist mag., which I can not remember the name of, whose founder was RJ Rushdoony. The article didn't have so much to do with rising and setting as with the earth being the center of our universe. I really never expected my post to garner this much discussion. Now I will have to go back and see if I can locate that article. Thinkers abound in this forum and this is a good exercise for me that I'm not being let off the hook. I'll get back with you after I do my research.
Drew
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I think Ray's conference on Creation and Noah's Flood has a lot to do with this, at least for me. I used to be one of those 'anti-scientist' type, who thought science was just out to destroy religion...I blame part of that on what I was told to believe all my days in Babylon. Thanks to Ray, and to God, I realize that most scientists are just trying to understand how things work--that they aren't all evil demons controlled by Satan. LOL
Daywalker 8)
daywalker:
--- Quote from: Grace on May 04, 2011, 08:36:15 PM ---
--- Quote ---Or perhaps you still think it's flat like a pancake?
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I'm sorry guys but, I'm going to take a break from the forums for awhile. Thanks for all the ones who took the time to help me in here. I can't handle this type of stuff.
Grace
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What exactly is wrong with that statement? I'd really like to know. thanks
Daywalker
GaryK:
--- Quote from: Craig on May 05, 2011, 05:34:54 AM ---
--- Quote ---I can't handle this type of stuff
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Grace what is there to handle?
These discussions are just the static on a bad radio station. It is all vanity and flapping in the wind. What if the world is flat or square or the moon is made of cheese? What if the sun revolves around the earth or the moon? or it just sits still? What if there was men before Adam? What if...What if??? What does it matter? Does this knowledge do anything to help us die to self? does it do anything to make us more Christlike? Does it make us more humble? loving? patient? peaceful? No, I don't think so, but it does expose the idols of our hearts or just puffs us up. We want to be worthy of being messengers of our God, but we are shown that we are not worthy of being messengers to anything. We look for the great spiritual meaning of a word or sentence in scripture and if we think we have found it we become special...Vanity, meaningless noise and babble.
Grace, using my radio analogy, don't shut off the whole radio, just change the channel whenever the static gets bad.
Craig
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Finally. Someone makes sense without the cloaking-up with a bunch of scriptural derivatives, numbers, and essays of diminished understanding.
We read Ray's hard work and.....all of the sudden.......we're hand-picked geniuses chosen for the quest of understanding all things God.
All these mental breakdowns over the most trivial unnecessaries.
The earth is flat?, the earth is round?, four corners or not?, does the sun sink or set?, did a snake really talk?.....who cares?
It is..... what it is.
We are who we are.
We stand where we stand.
We do what we do.
We've done what we've done.
We change when he changes us.
We see when he allows the sight.
We understand when he gives the understanding.
Grace and purpose. God's grace and purpose in all things seen and unseen, from then to now and beyond. That's the simplest and most candid form of 'truth'.
gk
daywalker:
--- Quote from: Grace on May 05, 2011, 01:48:25 PM ---
--- Quote ---So to refine my question further, how dumb or ignorant does a statement have to be by a Forum member before someone disagrees with them? Does disagreeing with someone show lack of Godly love?
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John,
I wasn't talking about the truth that was given in the post at all. All you can do is give someone the truth of a matter and that's it. It's up to God to open that truth up to them so they can see it. My comment was made because of asking if Drew still believed the earth was flat as a pancake. Now, anyone on this earth who has gotten access to the internet can find with overwhelming evidence that it is not flat. Even if they are in the middle of the desert with no other life around them, if they have internet access they will find that out sooner or later. So what was the point of throwing it in with the question, "Or perhaps you still think it's flat like a pancake?"
That is why I posted my comments. It seemed to be a question with attitude and I really don't think I'm the only one here who has seen this happen before this particular post. If I am wrong about that, I am sorry. Forgive me for being too sensitive. Only the one who posted it knows that for sure. I personally could care less if it's flat, round, orange, purple, whatever. In the scheme of things, it really doesn't matter. Science is not the truth. God's word is truth. What I was trying to convey is that once you provide truth don't kill them while you're giving them truth. If I ask a question in here, give me the answer if you have it but leave personal opinions out of it if you think my question was stupid, that's all I'm saying.
Grace
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Grace,
It's called sarcasm. Honestly, I'm a bit shocked that you were offended considering it was quite light in comparison with some of Ray's infamous lines from either his articles or his emails. Need I provide examples? I wasn't "jabbing" Drew, and based on his own response, he didn't appear to be offended by it. I wasn't LITERALLY asking Drew if he still thought the earth was "flat like a pancake"; I'm pretty confident he doesn't. It was just a lil humor to help make the point, it wasn't intended as a punch to the mouth.
Indeed, sometimes it's hard to judge one's motive when reading what they type as opposed to hearing them speak. Hope this helps clear the air.
Daywalker 8)
mharrell08:
A good read (http://bible-truths.com/fools.htm):
SARCASM—OLD AND NEW
I have two favorite Scriptural sarcasms which I find to be sheer genius. One in the Old Testament, and one in the New. The first is from I Kings 18:21-39. Elijah told the people that they should choose two bullocks and place them on two altars of wood. He then said:
"And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the Lord: and the God that answers by fire, let him be God"
They all agreed, and so the priests of Baal went first:
"And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O BAAL, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they LEAPED upon the altar which was made.
And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is on a journey, or peradventure he sleeps, and must be wakened.
I think we should read this verse from The Living Bible:
"About noontime, Elijah began mocking them. ‘You’ll have to shout louder than that,’ he scoffed, ‘to catch the attention of your god! Perhaps he is talking to someone, or is out sitting on the toilet, or maybe he is away on a trip, or is asleep and needs to be wakened.’"
And the priests of Baal, being as stupid as stupid can be, obeyed Elijah’s mocking sarcasm:
"And they CRIED ALOUD… there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded."
Remember that God Himself inspired Elijah to mock the priests of Baal with these jeering and demeaning epithets. He went so far as to suggest that maybe their god was "sitting on the toilet" or so exhausted he "fell asleep." And they were too stupid to even know that Elijah was making public spectacles and fools out of them. But Christians assure me that God doesn’t mock. Excuse me, but I did find this scenario IN THE BIBLE! And let’s not forget this:
"ALL Scripture is given by inspiration OF GOD [as in: ‘Elijah began mocking them… perhaps he {the god of Baal}… is out SITTING ON THE TOILET], and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (II Tim. 3:16).
This is not just Elijah taunting the priests of Baal; this is GOD HIMSELF telling Elijah under inspiration: Tell the priests of Ball that "…perhaps your god is out SITTING ON THE TOILET." God in heaven Himself inspired Elijah to speak that delightful phrase to these pagan priests. What a remarkable insight into the personality of God Almighty.
And ALL these events were preserved for us:
"Now ALL these things happened unto them for examples: and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come" (I Cor. 10:11).
One can be compassionate while having thick skin...when dealing with carnality, it's actually essential. But God's Elect are not thin-skinned, pushovers. It's not the end of the world if one feels that way now, because it's literally not the end of the world. If Christ has begun a work in you, He will finish it. Just keep the faith.
Marques
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