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What exactly is heaven?
One Love:
Here's more, all these inserts are from this website (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=12212.0), hope this can sum up this topic.
The Kingdom of God/Heaven are one in the same. It is the abode/mind of God in perfect goodness, holiness and truth. It is not a place, but a spiritual realm.
Your identity is your mind that produce thoughts, attitudes, behavior, intellect, awareness, reason, ideas and memory that come into our awareness from our experiences/life. This is an invisible realm, it's our inner awareness/personality... our heaven. When we begin to learn the knowledge of the truth, we are developing the mind of God, the process of being made into His image.
Luke 17:21 nor will they say, "See here!' or "See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."
(http://bible-truths.com/lake9.html)
GOD’S HEAVEN IS HIGHER THAN MAN’S HEAVEN
Satan is the god of this world (I Cor. 4:4). Satan possesses ALL the kingdoms of the world (Matt. 4:8-9). Satan appears to the heads of his nations as an angel of light (I Cor. 11:12). It was Satan who appealed to the heaven of Eve’s mind. It was Satan that caused the people to build a tower that would reach MAN’S concept of heaven. The heaven of the minds of those conceiving of such lofty things. It was Satan who caused the king of Babylon to be lifted up in his own heaven, his own mind. Listen to his own words:
God has a heaven. It is a SPIRIT REALM. It is where God lives and has His Being. Men too have a heaven. It is likewise, the REALM where they live and have their being—they spiritually live in their own minds, their own heavens.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on May 20, 2011, 10:26:49 AM ---Marques,we are all a work in progress and as Kat stated, it is a work of His accomplishments that He does within us that has any type of Truth to the Faithful. Anything that we try to bring to the table concerning our own beliefs outside of Scripture has zero Spiritual significance to the Father.
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Why do my beliefs have to be outside of scripture? What exactly was said that was so unscriptural?
We all used to think that creation happened at a much faster rate than what it did. How come we also assume that we as believers will be perfect 'immediately' at the close of the age and ready to judge the world? As the beginning of this age took considerable time, perhaps the end as well? How is that unscriptural? If you, Kat, or anyone else had a simple scripture to support your beliefs, you would have shown it by now.
If you think the short time you have known the few truths of God is enough to make you ready to put on perfection, that's fine. I just don't believe it. I simply believe perfection takes considerable time, and that time is a lot longer than God grants us on this earth. If I'm wrong, so what, big deal...I'm not doubting any scriptures or doctrines, just thinking of a longer timetable than you all. It's The Father's timetable anyways, not ours, so there's no need to take it personal if one of us has a different perspective.
Let's give this subject a rest if all we are going to do is say the same thing over and over.
Thanks,
Marques
One Love:
--- Quote ---Let's give this subject a rest if all we are going to do is say the same thing over and over.
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Yeah, I second that!
Kat:
Hi Marques,
My understanding is where my study has taken me at this point in time, as it is for us all. I realize that this is not an I'm right or you are thing, it's a discussion, that's all. Now I am aware that I have a LOT to learn and I benefit from these discussions. It's just good to have like minded people to discuss these things with :)
Gordon, I see you posted a couple of things from Ray. Just so there is no confusion on your reply #54 the top part of that was from a post I made here on the forum and where it started with 'GOD’S HEAVEN IS HIGHER THAN MAN’S HEAVEN' the rest was from Ray at this link http://bible-truths.com/lake9.html
Ray is studying the subject of who/what the Father is now and believes he is coming to a more profound understanding and plans to have a future Bible study on this. I have an email reply from some questions I ask Ray a short time ago that have relevance to this that I will post on new thread topic - 'Who/What is the Father?'
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Marky Mark:
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--- Quote ---Marques,we are all a work in progress and as Kat stated, it is a work of His accomplishments that He does within us that has any type of Truth to the Faithful. Anything that we try to bring to the table concerning our own beliefs outside of Scripture has zero Spiritual significance to the Father.
--- End quote ---
Why do my beliefs have to be outside of scripture? What exactly was said that was so unscriptural?
We all used to think that creation happened at a much faster rate than what it did. How come we also assume that we as believers will be perfect 'immediately' at the close of the age and ready to judge the world? As the beginning of this age took considerable time, perhaps the end as well? How is that unscriptural? If you, Kat, or anyone else had a simple scripture to support your beliefs, you would have shown it by now.
If you think the short time you have known the few truths of God is enough to make you ready to put on perfection, that's fine. I just don't believe it. I simply believe perfection takes considerable time, and that time is a lot longer than God grants us on this earth. If I'm wrong, so what, big deal...I'm not doubting any scriptures or doctrines, just thinking of a longer timetable than you all. It's The Father's timetable anyways, not ours, so there's no need to take it personal if one of us has a different perspective.
Let's give this subject a rest if all we are going to do is say the same thing over and over.
Thanks,
Marques
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Marques,notice in the quote that you posted I use the word we two times. I was not picking on you in a personal way but rather in a general way concerning all of us,not just you in particular.If I have offended you in any way with my posts,I apologize to you my friend.
Coming together and sharing with like-minded brethren is a blessing,not a curse.
Heb 6:7 For a land, drinking in the frequent rain and producing good plants for those for whom it is worked, has a blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But if it sends up thorns and evil plants, it is of no use and is ready to be cursed; its only end is to be burned.
Peace...Mark
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