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Will We Ever 'See' the Father?
Dave in Tenn:
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecc 1:10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
Could be that statement applies very well to John 14:8 "Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us." and some of us these days. I always feel better in good company.
Deborah-Leigh:
Right on Dave! 8)
Rev 3:12 Him who overcomes I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will go out no more. And I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the NEW JERUSALEM, which comes down out of Heaven from My God, AND MY NEW NAME...
Rev 21:5 And He sitting on the throne said, BEHOLD, I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW. And He said to me, Write, for these words are true and faithful.
What's anyone going to believe...the old or the new~ :D
Arc
lilitalienboi16:
What just drives me nuts about the Father BEING Jesus, completely, is that Jesus said His Father is greater than Him, we also know Jesus has a beginning yet the Father does not. Jesus has got to be a seperate entity or being, maybe thats it.. maybe it isn't contradictive, like light being both a wave and a particle at the same time. Maybe Jesus is His own being but the Father is Jesus and the Father is also His own being. Two are one.
Maybe? DJklafjsd89fya89sdfuy My head hurts. lol.
Kat:
Hi Alex,
We know that the being that became known as Jesus Christ is God and did come out from the Father, because He said so.
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and have come into the world. Again I leave the world and go to the Father.
Jesus stated "I and the Father are one!" (John 10:30) In perfect unity of spirit and mind, an exact reflection of the Father.
1Ti 2:5 For God is one, and there is one Mediator of God and of men, the Man Christ Jesus,
Jesus Christ came out of the Father to be His perfect Representative, as a image we can see, because God the Father is "invisible."
Col 1:15 who is the image of the invisible God...
So when we see Jesus, we see the Father, as He was brought into being to exactly represent the Father, in every way an extension of Him. Though there was a point in time when Jesus came into being, whereas the Father has always existed.
I do not claim to have this all figured out, but at this point this is what I am thinking.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
indianabob:
Great study folks, lots to consider and maybe even too much for me.
Two small points: John mentioned that Genesis says God made man in the image and likeness of God.\
I have read somewhere that the better translation would be that God is "making" man in His image.
If true that would indicate that we will be in His image when God is finished working with us and if so that would leave it open as to what God's image means as far as shape etc. It could mean loving character rather than having legs for mobility on the physical earth.
Second: someone wrote that familiarity could breed contempt if we were too close to the Father and the example of the men around the President was given. I don't believe that idea would apply to our view of or our relationship with God. God is so marvelous and having no beginning in time and so forth that we who had a beginning and are aware of it, would always be in awe of God no matter how close we became or how long we were in His presence.
Just my thoughts, Bob
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on June 27, 2011, 06:16:06 PM ---I have always perceived the spiritual plane of existence to have form, colors, sounds etc. Nothing in our physical existence is better or exceeds spiritual existence.
The earthly things in the Tabernacle in the Wilderness were patterned after spiritual or heavenly forms.
The Cherubim in Ezechiel 1 have a form. Mankind in the earlier civilizations made images of the Cherubim similar to the descriptions in Ezechiel.
Yahweh allowed Moses to see his back parts and some of His glory, but not His face. If Yahweh had no form, what was the purpose of letting Moses think He had form?
Jesus was the express image of the Father. Jesus told one of His apostles that if he had seen Jesus then He had seen the Father. If you are the image of something, then that something must have some image too.
In Genesis, God made man in the image and likeness of God. As Ray has pointed out recently, the Hebrew words for image and likeness---mean image and likeness--not something formless.
Finally, when you cut through all the crap the various religions teach, the fundamental truth of the scriptures is that the Father is reproducing Himself after His Own Kind. What will God's children look like? Duh! Maybe like the Father? This basic form of mankind---a torso, two arms and hands, two legs and feet, a neck, and a head---there is something about this design--this is not the first time it has been to the rodeo--it is patterned from something else---I believe it is patterned after the Father, but this pattern, on the spiritual level, does not limit Him in any way.
And yes, one day, I believe we will see Him as He is. Where do I get this from? Here a little, there a little, line upon line---with the Spirit whispering in my ear.
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