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Adam and Eve
Revilonivek:
Thanks for the link, daywalker-
I have read the Adam and Eve story in the LOF. Ray covers what God had in mind for humanity, not what Christendom understands.
But it still does not answer my question..
Kat- Are you saying that the fruit symbolizes a warning that if they ate it, they may have to actually experience the hardship, both spiritually and physically, even though they already have an understanding of good and evil beforehand but never experienced hardships associated with it? if so, that will make alot of sense and would answer my question.
If God intends them to learn through hardships, fine.. I'm fine with it.. but why put them in the garden... till they mess up, and then say.. oh you messed up, you're outta of here.
One other question is this... when all of this life is over... Do we lose the knowledge of good and evil when God wipes our tears and memory of our reproach on earth and we start over with a new life...or do we keep the gift of that knowledge of good and evil as stated in the garden of Eden or do we lose it?
Thank you all for your help.
Denise
Craig:
--- Quote ---One other question is this... when all of this life is over... Do we lose the knowledge of good and evil when God wipes our tears and memory of our reproach on earth and we start over with a new life...or do we keep the gift of that knowledge of good and evil as stated in the garden of Eden or do we lose it?
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I'll stab that question. Of course we will not lose this knowledge. It took much suffering and heartache to receive it, it is the hardest thing we will ever experience. We are being created in the image of God, He is birthing us. We will know good and evil and we will be able to righteously use this knowledge as God does and for God's purpose.
Craig
Kat:
Hi Denise,
--- Quote ---Are you saying that the fruit symbolizes a warning that if they ate it, they may have to actually experience the hardship, both spiritually and physically, even though they already have an understanding of good and evil beforehand but never experienced hardships associated with it?
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Eve eating the fruit was just one small example that was giving us. Eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil symbolize living life. It was not a question of 'if' they would eat it. They did not already have knowledge, that is the way you gain understanding, by eating/experiencing life.
--- Quote ---If God intends them to learn through hardships, fine.. I'm fine with it.. but why put them in the garden... till they mess up, and then say.. oh you messed up, you're outta of here.
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To me the garden scenario represents in general what happens to us all. We are born into the hands of loving parents (like God teaching Adam in the garden), one day we go our own way and out into the world, away from the security of home. See the similarity? But everybody has to learn through error/sin, if we don't like the consequences, so we don't do it again.
--- Quote ---... Do we lose the knowledge of good and evil when God wipes our tears and memory of our reproach on earth and we start over with a new life...or do we keep the gift of that knowledge of good and evil as stated in the garden of Eden or do we lose it?
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Like Craig said, I certainly believe we retain our memory of this life. It is through these experiences that we learn, so why remove all these valuable lesson from our memory. The understanding of what we are capable of without the Spirit of God indwelling to guide us (dark backdrop) is a precious gift of knowledge that we will always have, so to be all the more thankful for what we have when we come to the truth/light.
1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for possession, so that you might speak of the praises of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
mercy, peace and love
Kat
cheekie3:
Denise -
I believe the term used in Genesis is "Good" or "Very Good" and not "Perfect".
I believe God stated that everything He Created and Made was "Good" or "Very Good" in that it was as He Willed or Desired His Creation to function.
Regarding Eve, most would accept that Adam informed Eve of what God told him about the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Eve's sin is one of "The Lust of the Flesh", "The Lust of the Eyes" or "the pride of Life"; and probably all three.
God made Mankind "Sinning Machines" so we would all experience the "knowledge of Good and Evil"; just as we all do in our Daily Lives - and the endgame is for each one of us to "Choose" to Do "Good" rather than "Evil".
You are correct that a "Perfect" "Man" or "Woman" cannot sin; which was the case with Jesus Christ - who was the only one "Not to Sin".
Regards, cheekie3.
daywalker:
--- Quote from: Kat on July 05, 2011, 01:13:52 PM ---
--- Quote ---If God intends them to learn through hardships, fine.. I'm fine with it.. but why put them in the garden... till they mess up, and then say.. oh you messed up, you're outta of here.
--- End quote ---
To me the garden scenario represents in general what happens to us all. We are born into the hands of loving parents (like God teaching Adam in the garden), one day we go our own way and out into the world, away from the security of home. See the similarity? But everybody has to learn through error/sin, if we don't like the consequences, so we don't do it again.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Wow, Kat, those are some very good points you make! You just made me realize a connection between the Garden of Eden story and the Prodigal Son parable! I never before considered the similarities between them:
* Adam and Eve dwelled in Eden with plenty of food and security... just as the Prodigal son dwelled in his father's house with plenty of food and security
* Adam and Eve chose (willingly, though not "freely") to eat the forbidden fruit and be cast out of Eden... just as the Prodigal son chose to leave his father's house and live a life of carnal pleasure
* Just as the Prodigal son learned through the tough trials he faced that he needed to be reunited with his father... so also we learn through the tough trials of our lives that we need our Heavenly Father (as I'm sure Adam and Eve also learned throughout their lives after leaving Eden).
Anyway, just a few thoughts I had when reading your reply Kat... Daywalker 8)
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