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mharrell08:
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on July 27, 2011, 12:05:32 PM ---Im not trying to argue your points I know what you are saying, I have believed it for many moons, still my asking is for someone[ha] to tell me just what is one?
I see the concept Paul teaches of a many member body here in the earth realm, but where is the many member in one in heavenly realm? I have been listening to Rays audio, Is Jesus God and related audio, and Ray says it all comes down to ONE.
How many is one Spirit, one Body, one faith, one baptism, one Lord?
Should I be one with Him, what is the need of me or I when we will be like Him, one with Him.
Joh 10:30 I and the Father are one.'
Thank you all for your comments. As I said Im not trying to cause discord, just troubled on this subject.
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Multiple individuals can be thought of as one collective body. Jesus and the Father are one, but not literally the same entity. Jesus was dead but the universe didn't collapse on itself. The Father continued to sustain it.
Just because we are going to be 'one' with God doesn't mean we lose our individual personalities. Having an individual personality is not our problem, having a flawed/sinful personality is.
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---Im not trying to argue your points I know what you are saying, I have believed it for many moons, still my asking is for someone[ha] to tell me just what is one?
I see the concept Paul teaches of a many member body here in the earth realm, but where is the many member in one in heavenly realm? I have been listening to Rays audio, Is Jesus God and related audio, and Ray says it all comes down to ONE.
How many is one Spirit, one Body, one faith, one baptism, one Lord?
Should I be one with Him, what is the need of me or I when we will be like Him, one with Him.
Joh 10:30 I and the Father are one.'
Thank you all for your comments. As I said Im not trying to cause discord, just troubled on this subject.
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One in unity of Spirit is what we are to be in Christ and the Father.Just as the Father and Son are of one Spirit so shall we be in that same Spirit of oneness.All of Gods people will be members of the body of Christ by having the same mind as Christ and the Father, in unity,in one,all in all.
Jesus is the head of the body and we are to be the parts of that body which will make up the whole of it,together with the Father and Son,as members of the whole body,the church.The unity [or oneness] of the whole is that one Spirit with ONE mind.When we abide in the doctrines of our Lord we then are all of one faith.
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Zec 14:9 So will Yahweh become king over all the earth,—In that day, shall there be one Yahweh, and, his Name, be one.
Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Co 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
Phi 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
Phi 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
1Pe 3:8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
Hope this helps some.
Peace...Mark
Kat:
Hi Micah7:9,
--- Quote ---Should I be one with Him, what is the need of me or I when we will be like Him, one with Him.
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John 17:21 I pray that they may all be one. Father! May they be in Us, just as You are in Me and I am in You. May they be one, so that the world will believe that You sent Me.
v. 22 I gave them the same glory You gave Me, so that they may be one, just as You and I are one:
v. 23 I in them and You in Me, so that they may be completely one, in order that the world may know that you sent Me and that you love them as You love Me. (GNB)
God will bring us all to be one - united - complete - mature - of the same mind, as part of His body/family/kingdom. This is what it will be when we are perfected/born into the kingdom and have the mind of Christ, but not to the exclusion of the individual we have become.
The experiences we have in this life are for a grand purpose, to give us knowledge about the things we go through in this life. This experience/knowledge that we have gained will not be thrown away, but put to very good use when we enter God's kingdom. We are learning love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control to have these qualities of spirit when we judge the world. We are being put through different experiences to become individuals with different gifts/talents/abilities. Someone may have dealt alot with anger issues, another with alcohol abuse and all manners of other difficulties, so God's will have a whole family of perfected judges at His ready.
This is the process that in His wisdom He knows will bring about what He desires for His family. I see this as a glorious plan, beyond our wildest imagination in scope of possiblities.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
dave:
I have been studying all those verses and others as well. I see and understand the many member body that Paul speaks of; those who make up the the body of Christ now here on earth. How it must be the whole body working together as one. Yet this Body of many, here To Day, is to mature and grow into The Christ (Son) the Overcomer and for that it will be the mind of Christ Jesus(one mind) that must be fully grown in that body. So there are no individual minds working in this body, only one. So when we are ALL in ALL where is the individual in all this?
I dont know, Im with you all, thats what Ive been taught and have accepted a long time. But it just seems the Lord is taking a people that will HEAR (not saying thats me especially) to a higher understanding of ONE.. when all is finished or complete. I am probably being misunderstood.
Peace and Love Through Jesus
Thanks Kat that bears some study.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on July 27, 2011, 03:02:42 PM ---So there are no individual minds working in this body, only one. So when we are ALL in ALL where is the individual in all this?
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Who says there are no individual minds working in one body?
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