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Deuteronomy 21:18-21?
lostANDfound:
i'm having trouble getting that video out of my head. asking myself, are we really all capable of such things, but for the grace of God?
Kat:
That is so disturbing, it is truly horrific to bear witness to something so incomprehensible. YET I truly believe that any of us are more than capable of equally vile acts, if God did not frame evil (Jer 18:11). All our carnal nature needs is a certain set of circumstances/causes to lead us into doing something just as despicable. If we do not believe that then we are kidding ourself. We are all initially made out of the same lump of carnal human nature.
Rom 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
Pro 16:4 The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.
God is proving to mankind by personal experience and by numerous examples around us that every one of us are totally incapable of being good and in all actuality we are evil and need God's indwelling Spirit to make us right.
Psa 14:3 They are all gone aside; they are together become filthy; There is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, There is none that seeketh after God;
v. 12 They have all turned aside, they are together become unprofitable; There is none that doeth good, no, not, so much as one:
http://bible-truths.com/part5.htm ---------------------------------------
Scripture proves that God not only created evil, but that He, Himself, is responsible for it.
v
At times it is hard to emotionally deal with the evils of this world. But I thank God that it is HE and not Satan or man who controls evil. It is important to understand that God puts limitations on evil. He doesn't use it indiscriminately. Jeremiah 18:11 says: " ... I frame evil against you ... " This verse alone shows the boundaries and limitations that God Himself puts on evil.
Evil has no moral bias. God does not sin when He uses evil for His good purposes. Men sin when they do evil to other men. Evil [Heb. ha' = TO SMASH] is only a "sin" when it is used wrongly. God uses evil for good. The glorious culmination of God's plan will justify His use of evil a trillion times to the power of infinity!
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Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of Heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God.
v. 4 And God will wipe away all tears from their eyes. And there will be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying out, nor will there be any more pain; for the first things passed away.
v. 5 And He sitting on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me, Write, for these words are true and faithful.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Craig:
--- Quote ---Girl spanked to death in the name of God
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Tragic story, but I am angered that the news story uses the word "spanked". This child was not "spanked" to death, it was beat to death. Another example of the press trying to assign a different meaning to a word to then use it to make anyone who spanks their child an abuser.
Craig
PS I will not let this thread turn into a thread about the merits or not of spanking, to each his own.
JohnMichael:
--- Quote from: Craig on August 17, 2011, 08:55:43 AM ---
--- Quote ---Girl spanked to death in the name of God
--- End quote ---
Tragic story, but I am angered that the news story uses the word "spanked". This child was not "spanked" to death, it was beat to death. Another example of the press trying to assign a different meaning to a word to then use it to make anyone who spanks their child an abuser.
Craig
PS I will not let this thread turn into a thread about the merits or not of spanking, to each his own.
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Good point, Craig. Spanking and Beating are two entirely different horses. That girl was tortured and beat to death.
Kat makes an excellent point though as well. Were it not for God's influence, we'd all be the same parents - as much as we'd like to deceive ourselves into thinking otherwise.
So much of man's blood has been spilled, and so many lives taken "in the name of God." I'm not even referring to the times that God actually commanded them to go kill people such as in the Old Testament. I'm referring to the Crusades, Jihads, etc. It really puts these verses into a new perspective.
2Sa 12:14 Only, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of Jehovah to blaspheme, this child born to you shall surely die.
Rom 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the nations because of you, as it is written.
In Him,
John
River:
--- Quote from: Kat on August 17, 2011, 08:16:59 AM ---
That is so disturbing, it is truly horrific to bear witness to something so incomprehensible. YET I truly believe that any of us are more than capable of equally vile acts, if God did not frame evil (Jer 18:11). All our carnal nature needs is a certain set of circumstances/causes to lead us into doing something just as despicable. If we do not believe that then we are kidding ourself. We are all initially made out of the same lump of carnal human nature.
Rom 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
Pro 16:4 The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.
God is proving to mankind by personal experience and by numerous examples around us that every one of us are totally incapable of being good and in all actuality we are evil and need God's indwelling Spirit to make us right.
Psa 14:3 They are all gone aside; they are together become filthy; There is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, There is none that seeketh after God;
v. 12 They have all turned aside, they are together become unprofitable; There is none that doeth good, no, not, so much as one:
http://bible-truths.com/part5.htm ---------------------------------------
Scripture proves that God not only created evil, but that He, Himself, is responsible for it.
v
At times it is hard to emotionally deal with the evils of this world. But I thank God that it is HE and not Satan or man who controls evil. It is important to understand that God puts limitations on evil. He doesn't use it indiscriminately. Jeremiah 18:11 says: " ... I frame evil against you ... " This verse alone shows the boundaries and limitations that God Himself puts on evil.
Evil has no moral bias. God does not sin when He uses evil for His good purposes. Men sin when they do evil to other men. Evil [Heb. ha' = TO SMASH] is only a "sin" when it is used wrongly. God uses evil for good. The glorious culmination of God's plan will justify His use of evil a trillion times to the power of infinity!
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Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of Heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God.
v. 4 And God will wipe away all tears from their eyes. And there will be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying out, nor will there be any more pain; for the first things passed away.
v. 5 And He sitting on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me, Write, for these words are true and faithful.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Great post Kat!
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