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Kat:

Hi micah7:9,


--- Quote ---So, the lie is a direct and visible trait of the serpent, but the murderer part is a kind of, you have to have a spiritual understanding? Is that correct?
--- End quote ---

Well consider that Satan is a spirit being and he can not physically kill a person directly. It is through his influence that he devours/destroys/kills.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Craig:
Consider Job, it appears Satan can control the winds and killed Jobs family?

Craig

dave:
I understand. My whole point in the question was the "liar" from the beginning is, there in your face, no ifs or buts. Its the murderer by definition [man-slayer homicide] I am not seeing from the beginning. Now I can see Cain as a murderer from the beginning, is there any relation in the "nature" of Cain, the serpent, and "of the your father?"

I guess I will put it aside and accept the CLV I believe it reads the best for understanding my question.

Joh 8:44 You are of your father, the Adversary, and the desires of your father you are wanting to do. He was a man-killer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, for truth is not in him. Whenever he may be speaking a lie, he is speaking of his own, for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Thanks.   Peace and Love Through Jesus

Joel:
Who do we resemble more in our every day lives?
We are confined to these fleshly bodies, and as Ray said the devil wants to eat us for lunch. (our dust)

   God (Spirit)                      Satan (uses works of the flesh)
Love                                adultery              wrath
Joy                                  fornication           strife
Peace                              uncleanness        seditions
Longsuffering                   lasciviousness      heresies
Gentleness                      idolatry             envying
Goodness                        witchcraft            murders
Faith                              hatred                 drunkenness
Meekness                       variance               revellings
Temperance                    emulations           and such like

Satan does know Truth, he quoted scripture to Jesus in the wilderness, but always has HIS motives when he comes to steal, kill, and to destroy. "fall down and worship me."
Who did Job resemble more? Who did Cain take after?

Joel

DougE6:

--- Quote ---Actually, God took the lives of Job's children Satan was just a stooge who God used to bring the evil on Job
--- End quote ---


If Satan was just a "stooge" then why did God create him in the first place? A stooge? How about a waster to destroy.

Why have a go between?  Why did God make a go between, if He wanted people to make statements such as you just said in the box above?


--- Quote ---"...the LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD
--- End quote ---

This is a wonderful statement and I agree with wholeheartedly. I like that one. I really don't like yours. I am really sorry to say that, but I think there is an important distinction here. Just because God is responsible, He made sure He was not the one directly doing it, and He made the the waster to destroy.  God may have goaded Satan, certainly, and set the parameters, yes, but Satan did it. I think there is some serious understanding God wanted us to get that God put distance between the committing of evil and Himself, that your direct statements really erase, John.

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