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love_magnified:
By the way, yes they do believe in Jesus. But which one? The one who will succeed? Or the one who will stand by and watch billions be tortured in literal fire? Which Jesus do they lift up for the world to see and worship?
gmik:
hi. Only 2 commandments to worry about---love God, love your neighbor. Our friends, family and loved ones in church are where they are because of God. Until He drags them they will stay that way and we are to love them at all cost. I have said on many occassions that I go back to church to see my kids and when we have a birthday and go out to eat. I ususally just read Ray's notes or my Bible when I am there. This particular church has come out publically against this teaching and against Carlton Pearson (who was a frequent guest). The tithe is a really big issue and the pastors all live better than their average parishioner.
I have spoken to dear friends, thinking they would love this, and they got very angry that I would dare to think there was no hell and that even Hitler will be forgiven. They don't want him forgiven. My friends don't mind that Bennie Henn is being audited and that his lifestyle is full of greed and avarice. They don't care! "I just give to the Lord, it is up to Bennie what he does with it!"
I guess I need some new friends! I must love them and pray their eyes will open.
My eyes were blinded till last October. I still feel like I have lots to learn. Not only knowledge but in living the life that is pleasing the Father.
Sorry for rambling. I like your spirit and honesty Scrybe. Enjoy the forum.
hillsbororiver:
Who is Jesus speaking to here?
Are there doctrines of Satan being preached in the pulpit today?
Is the eternal torture of babies, children, the ignorant, the confused sound like the work of our Lord? Or His adversary?
Rev 2:19 I know thy works, and charity and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
(They apparently are doing some good things)
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
(Man made doctrine?)
Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
(Justification, excuses for pagan infiltration?)
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Rev 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
(It appears doctrine has significant importance)
Remember;
Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Would any of us allow others to speak despicable things of our parents or spouses or family members? Would you allow your friends to call your loved one a torturer of children or the weak or infirm, would you still consider them friends and socialize with them?
These are not my words (except of course the ones in blue)
Joe
PS http://bible-truths.com/lake10.html
YellowStone:
--- Quote from: Scrybe on July 12, 2006, 08:11:08 PM ---........So how do you all view these people? I understand a lot of you have had experience with so-called Christians who are in it for the money or the social aspects. But most of the Christians I know are not like that at all. Most of them are simply believing what they have been taught all their lives. They are just like I was until recently… "If you can't believe the Church, who can you believe?" And they are so used to 'wolves in sheep's clothing' that they won't listen to ideas contrary to what the Church teaches. They have found God's grace in their lives and want to share that experience with others. How can they be called 'unbelievers'?
Please understand I'm not trying to challenge anything taught here, I sincerely want to know.
--- End quote ---
Hi Scrybe :) I really enjoyed reading your introduction
One thing that I have learned since being here at Bible-Truths is that God does not love me any more than my worst enemy. Neither am I am less or any greater sinner than anyone else. Kind of scary, kind of sad, but this fact alone totally put things into perspective. I have had to change the way I look and categorize people. The people who tend churches are not evil, neither whores or wolves, they are God's children just like me. Sometimes, I question the preachers but I do not have to listen to them. I have enough trouble walking with God myself, but I do see and hear things differently now. Some well doers are mistaken in their belief and many seem to afraid to break free; such as these need love and prayer far more than condemnation. I read here a while back that, perhaps the greatest witness to God is not by word or deed. It just being yourself living your life; if God is walking with you, others will see. They will see and they will question. This is God working in you. It doesn't get much better than that.
Sorry for rambling :)
Lots of Love,
Darren
orion77:
Hello Scrybe, welcome to the forum.
I live in eastern Kentucky and hence many hellfire preachers and churches that have been handed down through tradition. My family and wifes family think I have lost my mind for not believing that God will not eternally torture sinners. Although they are very good people and live good lives, I do not understand why I can see these things and they can't. Truth is it should be the other way around, but who am I to question. I must rely on the total soverignity of God and the faith He has given me, that the day will come they will know of these things too.
I do not wish to speak any ill will towards them for what they believe, yet they speak ill will towards me for what I believe. So, who's right and who's wrong? Yet, I know they do not search and study the word of God as I do, not that makes me any better, because God knows I am not. I still love them with all my heart and do my best not to argue.
I've come to realize that the only things we can do is Love God with all our hearts, and our neighbors, too, and to forgive those who treat us wrongly. Because, we know what the end result will be for all, it's only that few in each generation are being shown these things, but in the end every knee will bow. Not that these churchgoers don't, but is there any way posssible for one to really know God, and in the same sentence say He will torture people forever. Where is the love in that belief, for me, I just can't see it. And if that is wrong, so be it.
God bless,
Gary
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